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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg here with Gina and

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Chris on the para cast as kind of

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interesting what a skeptic makes so for

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example where we had Robert Schafer he

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tends to be somewhat polarizing as we

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expect because he's very outspoken in

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its beliefs that there's nothing to any

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of this paranormal stuff then a couple

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of weeks later we had been Radford but

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he's very nice kind so maybe he doesn't

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say things that aren't so different yeah

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he doesn't really give you that much of

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an alternative to a skepticism but he

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seems so reasonable yeah he also seems

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willing to listen when he makes a

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mistake so for example we pointed out a

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few problems with the book and he wrote

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me a few days later he said I'm writing

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this down to make sure that if we do a

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second edition which is never guaranteed

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with a paranormal book he will make sure

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these Corrections aren't made the one

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thing that did bother me though is he

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said one of the reasons the book took a

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while to finish is because the people

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over at the University spent what two

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years to vet this book and despite that

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they still didn't realize that Chris

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O'Brien was one of the people who

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exposed the Crystal Skull mystery

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because he only read one of his books

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not realizing there was a second book

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and a third book in the mysterious

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valley series still thinking that Kevin

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Randle believed in the Aztec UFO crash

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even though he is famously doesn't

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believe it maybe he did early on 25

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years ago or accepted some of it but not

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lately not at all he's been very vocal

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about it in his blog on the power cast

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he's said so a number of times but it

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seemed to me that was so unfortunate is

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that Ben didn't know this and I think if

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a university is looking over a book and

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doing fact-checking wouldn't they

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confirm the research and say hey this

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guy's got a second book let's look at

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the second book and see what he says

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about crystal skulls

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well and in the fact that the he does

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say in his book that there was an expose

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article in the crest stone eagle that

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exposed the whole thing and he never

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mentioned I was one who wrote it exactly

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so you know I I don't know I I like then

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I think he's he's you know my kind of

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skeptic in that he's he's really wants

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to bring to bear the scientific method

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he keeps an open mind until the facts

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start to close his mind around certain

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subjects in in I think we're best served

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by having skeptical of viewpoints and

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sounding boards to bounce some of these

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mysteries off of because we need a

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well-rounded objective approach to

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these subjects and making you know

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quality analysis and I think Ben is one

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of those kind of people that I could see

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another one who is very open-minded is

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skeptical about many claims but he goes

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about it in a very methodical you know

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let the data and the evidence you know

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lead us to a particular well-thought-out

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conclusion and i i appreciate these

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tireless efforts to get to the truth

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someone like a Robert Shafer someone

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like this McGehee character there's

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others Michael Shermer Penn and Teller

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oh my god those guys are a piece of work

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these people obviously have agendas and

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they aren't open-minded their minds

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obviously have been made up and they'll

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do anything they can to denigrate people

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subjects and events and that is to me

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the antithesis to being objective and

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open-minded well in their case they

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don't go out to physically investigate

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anything they sit down their armchairs

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they say Oh are the witnesses is there

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mistaken the people maybe they're lying

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and somebody threw up hubcap in the sky

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you think it is they come up with these

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quick shoot by the hip explanations

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because they work from a philosophy that

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there's nothing to any of this it's not

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well people are saying strange things

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let's see what is going on which is a

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proper scientific approach it is there

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can't be anything to it yeah yeah these

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not real they can't happen case closed

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you know my mind's made up before I even

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look at anywhere below the surface facts

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they just do not bother doing that

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think that really do have open minds but

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they're willing to put the time and to

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digging it takes to come up with an

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informed decision about something and we

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need the skeptics because there's too

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field and by that we don't make

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ourselves credible when we say well

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there's something to the mystery but you

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there and if you allow that garbage to

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take hold as it has over the years

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look at it if you say look we've got

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something strange it seems to be

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metallic it seems to exhibit advanced

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maneuverability or all sorts of strange

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aspects to the mystery we have to

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explore let's find out what it is

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demonstrate in front of the White House

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or send a petition demanding disclosure

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that's what we have to do demand

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disclosure let's not investigate

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anything let's rely on someone else to

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disclose it for us

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that way we all have to work they know

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the answers tell us are we really

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do every technological achievement in

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aviation since 1947 that's a really good

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question for today's guest oh yes this

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is how we segue to we have now this guy

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is what I would call the really really

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fascinating character in the field one

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of the more fascinating characters with

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a background that you almost think he's

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a disinformation agent if you look at

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what he does well if you look at his

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work history and his association with

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the National Institute for discovery

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organization he just seems to crop up in

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some of the the most interesting places

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and you know over the years I've you

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know not really gotten a chance to get

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to know Colonel Alexander who was a

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doctor of thanatology I believe

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he's been studying the near-death

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experience phenomenon for decades

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pioneers in that field was his

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dissertation adviser and I really have

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gotten to know John a little bit in the

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last five or so years and the more I get

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to know him the more impressed I am with

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his open-mindedness his candor I think

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there are some things that he's not able

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able to talk about he's willing to talk

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about so I think we you know with a

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to find out some pretty interesting

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stuff especially his worldwide journeys

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intrigued about is you know the link

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the ancient and the high-tech that

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there's some sort of connection there

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and I think dr. John Alexander is one of

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those few people positioned and willing

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to go and do the fieldwork and find out

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the facts about these traditions and I

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think he's in a very interesting

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position where he might be able to be a

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primordial and the modern and the

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hi-tech and because of his wide range of

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interests and studies we have a huge

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number of questions over at for him dr.

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situations where we've got a lot to talk

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about especially his travels over the

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past year this guy it just keeps going

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even more more active than the Energizer

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Bunny I'll tell you this guy cake on

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someone his age swimming with humpback

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whales he got to hand it to him in the

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open ocean no less how old is he

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you know he's got to be pushing 80 you

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lately we've seen how these older people

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are really doing lots of stuff and don't

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mention my name but these people are

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really older like Stanton Friedman's

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over 80 and Don Berliner who was one of

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the best recent guests we had is 84 and

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they just kept going people live a lot

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she died because she had a full work

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let them do anything that will knock you

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out because what happens there anyway

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we've got dr. John Alexander amazing

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breadth of interests and coverage coming

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up on the show and by the way don't

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forget that we have that free copy of

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secrets the mysterious Valley to send to

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attack of the Rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko its calm that's rock oh

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it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

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financial affairs I continue to hear

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stories about property seizures frozen

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well of course he's in Nevada which is

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kind of like gun country isn't it pretty

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much like Arizona though yeah well we

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don't want to talk about that you know I

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wondered about that I don't think about

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it too long because I have never played

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with guns I grew up in New York City I'm

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not a gun person and I think I'm in gun

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central here you are so John we we had a

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record-breaking amounts of rainfall here

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this past week in Arizona and I heard

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that Las Vegas and parts of Eastern

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California really got hit hard did you

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guys get a lot of rain there I heard 15

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was closed for a while well I'm not sure

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if this even open yet but just millions

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of Moapa Valley as of yesterday it was

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he had to detour up there they took

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significant damage for about 15 miles of

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high 15 my goodness Wow well we broke a

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record that has been a long-standing

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record from 1932 I think if someone

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mentioned let's hope that California

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your neighborhood to the west rather

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gets some relief from the drought that

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they're experiencing and that Lake Mead

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gets some water because we all know how

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important that is to to Las Vegas where

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you live and and let's just hope that

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we're seeing a break in this really bad

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experiencing

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severe drought not just gout and the

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lake has been at all-time lows and it

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controls water for several states it's

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not just Nevada there's yeah the climate

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is changing what do you say to people

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and this obviously opens the huge can of

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worms dr. Alexander what do you say to

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people who claim that there is no truth

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to the claim of climate change

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especially man-made or human-made or

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cause climate change well it's just not

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following the data at all I mean it's

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been pretty clear for quite a while that

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there are changes that are occurring

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it's not just warming and you can't just

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look at a single trend but when you

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follow you know the trends over a decade

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or more you see steady increases you see

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the melting of the poles yes there have

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been a fluctuation before but I think

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you can pretty well see that when you

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correlate that with you know human

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activity of co2 in the area you can see

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that we're definitely having an effect

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on it low-lying countries are going out

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and the problem usually with the climate

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deniers are that they have economic

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interests or in says real estate that's

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in low-lying areas that they don't want

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to see depreciate well certainly if

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you're in real estate and you're selling

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all these beachfront properties you

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don't want to lose your market right

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yeah we may be sitting on beachfront

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property of California slips into the

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ocean from the San Andreas but we have

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talked about for decades if in psychics

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predicting it would go that far I'm not

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sure I'd be selling my land and moving

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to the mountains just yet but the amount

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of stuff that we're looking at low-lying

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countries around the world so the

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massive amount of the population is

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that's where the huge problem lies is

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that you're going to have migrations

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hundreds of millions of people gonna

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have to move and they got to go

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somewhere

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look let's go to the background here dr.

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Alexander live our listeners are very

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new to the show new to this subject can

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you maybe crystallize and encapsulate

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some of your basic experience as a

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scientist and studying the paranormal so

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people understand where you're coming

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from well in 25 words or less well a

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couple of thousand words anyway

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left us for many decades my doctorate

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was under Elizabeth kubler-ross

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who was the one who brought both hospice

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to the United States my interest has

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been lifelong so many decades UFOs for

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instance I had heard of them in 1947 was

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interested and following the

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developments there just have been

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involved in a host of different

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phenomena as I was mentioning my when I

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completed my doctorate Elisabeth

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kübler-ross who was the one who got both

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hospice the United States and with Ray

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Moody coined the whole near-death

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experience area she was the head of my

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committee and we did work on her

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workshop like death and transitions and

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how people expand and since then and

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particularly since my second retirement

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we have just traveled the world

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interacted with shamans you were just

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talking about we are literally just a

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little over a week ago back from Tonga

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and diving with whales in the open ocean

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in their own environment which is quite

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exhilarating well I'll say that oh I'm

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so jealous boy that's one of my bucket

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list items is to swim with dolphins and

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then if I had the guts to swim with

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full-sized whales but before we get to

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to that in him we will and I'm

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I'm so fascinated with what little that

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I know of your trips around the world

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visiting you know more primitive

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cultures and looking at the shamanic

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traditions you know going back to your

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studies of you know death experience

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with Elisabeth kubler-ross and your

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lifelong interest in bandit ology I

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think would be the term how does that

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dovetail to having you as one of the

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lead persons overseeing the development

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of non-lethal weapons you need a real

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full understanding of death before you

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can start to look at development of

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weapons that won't kill people how did

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that connection ever get made I'm not

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sure it does of course my first career

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was military and I was in Vietnam like I

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say I grew up in Special Operations

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Forces but you know as Green Berets

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Rangers etc so had you know a personal

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view of war planes having said that my

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second career was at Los Alamos National

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Laboratory they're the ones who brought

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us the nuclear weapons lab but I was

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looking at you know what was going on in

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the world or late 1980s early 1990s and

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it might be a conflict had changed

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considerably

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and that the problems and application of

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force were being caught between doing

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too little or doing nothing and doing

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too much and so thus I thought that

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non-lethal weapons there are ways to

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apply force without killing people and

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you know creating long term enemies and

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break here John but when we come back I

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want to dive in a little bit on this

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and frighten me that was my intention

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with Jeana and Chris the frightening

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gene and the genial Chris dr. John

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Alexander and Chris has been probing his

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background in research who's worked into

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so-called non-lethal weapons which I

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guess if you blow on somebody you have

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bad breath they'll collapse that's

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non-lethal John when we posted that you

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were going to be on the show of course

578
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we we have a question thread at forum

579
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dr. Perik asked comm where our listeners

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are able to you know post questions that

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we that we then asked of our guests and

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one of our sign ups not even wrong has

583
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been a forum posters since December 2012

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and his first question is what were some

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of the more effective non-lethal weapon

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systems that you designed or that you've

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seen well a broad spectrum which is

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among the problems and even discussing

589
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it because we talked about the simple

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systems such as she in law enforcement

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and personal protection like pepper

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spray

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tasers rubber bullets etc all the way on

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the high end where we were talking about

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strategic incapacitation strategic

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incapacitation yeah how can you were

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basically eviscerate a complex target

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sent like a nation-state are you taking

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out their infrastructure and doing it in

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such a way that you don't permanently

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degrade the systems and you can bring

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them back online for instance if I go

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after the power structure if I bomb you

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know with hard bombs on electrical

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generating facilities then it's going to

606
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take you months to years to bring it

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back up as opposed to just being able to

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degrade the distribution system so that

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the you can basically turn the power

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Icahn again relatively quickly after an

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attack let me just ask you something

612
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here we talk about something like Tasers

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as non-lethal but sometimes they are

614
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absolutely non-lethal but people have

615
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been known to die from them that's

616
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actually not true nobody's died from the

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electricity there are a handful of cases

618
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when they say handful less than 10 where

619
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people have died from falling and you

620
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know striking their heads or something

621
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like that there have been about 3

622
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million of us who have been exposed to

623
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taser and training or voluntarily with

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zero-depth so most of the people have

625
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died they have died after Khazars but

626
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they died after breakfast as well so

627
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what's missing is the corollary

628
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relationship and this is greatly

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exaggerated certainly in the press one

630
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of the big dishes I might point out if

631
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you want to try something just put in

632
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taser and 50,000 volts and see how many

633
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hits you get on the news and then put in

634
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taser and milliamps and the point here

635
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:50,850
is how many bolts is totally irrelevant

636
00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:53,770
then we can discuss that but it's

637
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amperage that kills you and the amperage

638
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in case your is down like a Christmas

639
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tree light bulb well I didn't realize

640
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that yeah well most people don't and

641
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:08,200
50,000 sounds like a big number but

642
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remember I'm possibly when you're in

643
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school a lot of people saw this is when

644
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they would take a girl with long hair

645
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have her sit on a Tesla coil and turn it

646
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on and the hair stands out 90 have seen

647
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:24,910
the experiment that's usually at least a

648
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quarter of a million volts you know five

649
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:29,920
times the voltage of taser yep there's

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absolutely no ill effects because

651
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because of the lack of amperage correct

652
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:38,020
well you know we're now we're dealing

653
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with some pretty interesting

654
00:31:47,170 --> 00:31:43,240
potential scenarios for developing

655
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:47,180
electrical systems and not even wrong

656
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:48,950
has a follow-up question and he's

657
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:52,250
wondering if we have the context elusive

658
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nations like a visual or auditory using

659
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some sort of wireless source in the

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field

661
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in other words implanting voices in

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people which I heard rumors that we did

663
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:05,780
that in Desert Storm and some of the

664
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frontline troops in the trenches there

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in Kuwait just over the border in Iraq

666
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or creating visual hallucinations

667
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:20,800
for instance yeah there are some things

668
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directly and things you might be able to

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do in the laboratory

670
00:32:35,550 --> 00:32:30,440
absolutely not fielded systems and

671
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:37,960
that's how lots and lots of the thing

672
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:40,460
and and one of the hypotheses was that

673
00:32:47,950 --> 00:32:43,720
if you change just from an internal

674
00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:47,960
audio but to visual and using a

675
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:51,470
holographic capability this is Mohammed

676
00:32:59,410 --> 00:32:56,690
says go home but our were quite a ways

677
00:33:02,830 --> 00:32:59,420
from that that's been examined and

678
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:02,840
certainly of interest but there's a huge

679
00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:05,810
difference between you know what we call

680
00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:08,030
basic research where most of those

681
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:13,040
technologies are a fielded system now

682
00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:16,070
let's just look more into any of this

683
00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:18,860
and that is do you think with since

684
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:20,420
we're talking about non-lethal weapons I

685
00:33:23,170 --> 00:33:21,980
want to bring it down to earth a bit

686
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:23,180
because alright we have the rubber

687
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,740
bullets and we have the Tasers

688
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:27,440
do you think the fact that we've kind of

689
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:30,230
militarized the police in this country

690
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,290
is hurting of course we have these

691
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:34,640
high-profile cases where somebody who

692
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:37,310
supposedly is unarmed gets shot and

693
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:39,050
killed but if they had what rubber

694
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:41,030
bullets and tasers and stuff like that

695
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:43,850
would that even happen and of course we

696
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:45,770
should remember that the episode in

697
00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:48,260
Ferguson Missouri is as of this state as

698
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,600
of the time you hear the show still very

699
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:53,600
very much unsettled so let's just make

700
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:55,960
clear first I mean in Great Britain

701
00:34:03,970 --> 00:33:59,090
police don't use guns very much do they

702
00:34:08,169 --> 00:34:03,980
well UK is increasingly arming their

703
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:08,179
folks particularly as terrorist threat

704
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:12,740
is increasing we talk about Ferguson

705
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:16,490
let's distinguish between unarmed and

706
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:20,000
dangerous we're talking somebody six

707
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:22,700
foot four three hundred pounds which in

708
00:34:28,090 --> 00:34:25,639
my view for most of us would be you know

709
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:28,100
potentially dangerous now obviously a

710
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:31,190
jury's still out on that one but the

711
00:34:36,369 --> 00:34:33,830
facts are certainly not adding up

712
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:36,379
the problem that you're getting at more

713
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:39,290
directly is having a right weapon at the

714
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:41,690
right place at the right time when

715
00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:45,500
things go bad for the police for the

716
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:48,020
most part you know 95 percent of the

717
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:51,710
cases they go bad in an instant on the

718
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:54,010
street it's the chance encounter as

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opposed to the SWAT kinds of operations

720
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:01,369
we have said at a hostage barricade

721
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:03,970
situation we have time to develop

722
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:06,890
tactics and techniques and going after

723
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:11,290
them but now something like I think a

724
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:14,990
17,000 law-enforcement agencies around

725
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:19,130
the world are now manning everybody with

726
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:22,310
taser by the way the advanced Taser

727
00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:26,390
systems have cameras on them and they

728
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:29,540
also have a so the company has a system

729
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,630
that where they're doing Hill

730
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:37,760
videotaping everything that's going on

731
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:42,830
on a recycled basis here again contrary

732
00:35:51,849 --> 00:35:47,080
to the popular notion when these cases

733
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:51,859
get you know looked at seriously the

734
00:36:00,010 --> 00:35:55,609
cameras normally exonerate the officer

735
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:00,020
and over 90% of the cases an important

736
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:02,510
point we'll get into that but focused

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more on our paranormal universe and we

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get back and about what the military may

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or may

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not know about unusual things psychic

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phenomena UFOs that sort of thing

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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857
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:23,090
Alexander who's been there and done that

858
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:24,830
in so many different ways is just

859
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:27,650
amazing Chris you know we're taping this

860
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:30,880
on the 13th year anniversary of 9/11 and

861
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:34,220
in these intervening 13 years John we

862
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:37,510
have seen a dramatic almost breathtaking

863
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:39,620
militarization of our police forces in

864
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:42,170
this country where do you come down on

865
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:45,050
this what I might mention I assume

866
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:48,650
you're putting on my website but four

867
00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:53,300
years ago done a monograph I was senior

868
00:41:58,110 --> 00:41:55,270
fellow for the Joint Special Operations

869
00:42:01,900 --> 00:41:58,120
University and wrote one called

870
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:01,910
convergence looking at how special

871
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:05,680
operations forces and SWAT in particular

872
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,230
were converging and seeing the missions

873
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:11,900
converged now this is a very complex

874
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:15,590
issue saw a report yesterday from the

875
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:19,640
Pentagon and right now Congress has been

876
00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:24,470
saying let's stop transitioning military

877
00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:27,560
equipment as they looked at it what they

878
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,940
found that 96% of the equipment that had

879
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:33,200
been transferred to law enforcement

880
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:36,970
agencies was not military specific

881
00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:41,510
meaning it included tents and first-aid

882
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:44,270
kits and communications gear and things

883
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:45,130
of this nature

884
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:49,760
only 4% is in this remaining category

885
00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:51,670
and that's where you see the AP C's

886
00:42:58,090 --> 00:42:54,860
Bearcats and MRAP salute

887
00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:58,100
mine resistant vehicles of that in my

888
00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:01,130
view those are getting overplayed

889
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,460
probably should never have gone to

890
00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:07,760
particularly small departments because

891
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:10,070
which you are seeing for the last few

892
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:13,670
decades is a dramatic increase in

893
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:15,610
dynamic entry

894
00:43:22,530 --> 00:43:20,170
really you blow the door up and go in on

895
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:22,540
drug raids and things like that and the

896
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:26,140
problem with SWAT teams is they are very

897
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:30,550
expensive to develop and maintain if you

898
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,120
have them you're going to use them and

899
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,400
you may not be using them in the most

900
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:38,800
advantageous way and particularly when

901
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:40,660
you're trying to develop trust and

902
00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:43,990
confidence from the pop population and

903
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:46,270
that's what you saw in Ferguson just a

904
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:49,980
really overstatement of course

905
00:43:56,250 --> 00:43:52,240
dramatically should not have been used

906
00:43:58,650 --> 00:43:56,260
at all what do you do then to reduce

907
00:44:01,800 --> 00:43:58,660
this problem because we really don't

908
00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:01,810
need to generate the furor which that

909
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:05,620
episode did how do we reach a balance

910
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:07,240
and maybe that's the whole question here

911
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:10,180
how do you give the police departments

912
00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:13,120
the stuff they need to fight crime but

913
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:15,400
not overwhelm them with hardware and

914
00:44:21,090 --> 00:44:17,770
maybe they just aren't up to the task of

915
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:21,100
utilizing it to its best advantage yeah

916
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,730
well even getting at what people have to

917
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:27,520
think through is the total life cycle on

918
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it because when you get the sort of

919
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advanced technology the problem then

920
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:37,300
becomes it's expensive and difficult to

921
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:41,230
maintain then you've got the issue of

922
00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:44,350
training with it now remember that 80%

923
00:44:53,070 --> 00:44:47,020
of the police forces in the United

924
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:53,080
States or other 25 people so when you do

925
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:54,490
that then you say hey we're going to

926
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,650
give you this advanced stuff people blow

927
00:45:02,610 --> 00:44:59,680
what are you gonna do with it and you

928
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:02,620
know how are you gonna maintain it to

929
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:05,290
use it and potentially inappropriately I

930
00:45:13,050 --> 00:45:08,580
think a lot of education has to go into

931
00:45:16,530 --> 00:45:13,060
senior law enforcement I think a lot of

932
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:16,540
people were looking at you know what

933
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:19,780
went on our Chiefs of Police I'm sure ia

934
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:22,150
CP the International Association of

935
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,180
Chiefs of Police we're evaluating what

936
00:45:30,059 --> 00:45:28,020
was going on and saying no this is

937
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,069
definitely

938
00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:33,680
overstatement in the use of the presence

939
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:37,910
of force and obviously miss applied you

940
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:40,609
saw that with their response to the

941
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:44,180
media and number of people were gassed

942
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:48,680
and things like that um I remember that

943
00:45:52,569 --> 00:45:51,800
the the mission is to protect and to

944
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:52,579
serve

945
00:46:00,880 --> 00:45:57,530
now you may or may not know that my son

946
00:46:03,790 --> 00:46:00,890
is a captain with a major police force

947
00:46:08,049 --> 00:46:03,800
happens to head internal affairs and we

948
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:08,059
discussed these things continuously one

949
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:12,230
of his points is that his career which

950
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:16,670
has been about 20-some years now seeing

951
00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:19,849
a significant increase in the violent

952
00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:25,220
response and people say 18 to 25 meaning

953
00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:29,079
they're much more prone to you know a

954
00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:32,390
violent confrontation than they were

955
00:46:40,569 --> 00:46:37,460
even when he joined the police force we

956
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:40,579
can discuss the videogame aspect of they

957
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:44,780
are the media's wanton PG violence or

958
00:46:49,059 --> 00:46:46,790
murder do you think the media has

959
00:46:50,859 --> 00:46:49,069
something to do with that and the way

960
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:50,869
that this culture glorifies violence

961
00:46:56,799 --> 00:46:53,660
yeah if you go and you'll watch the TV

962
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,809
shows but what amazes me is the end

963
00:47:03,670 --> 00:46:58,730
congruence

964
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:03,680
I mean we love 24 we like Jack Bauer you

965
00:47:10,089 --> 00:47:06,890
know breaking fingers and cutting people

966
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:10,099
to get the information then when it

967
00:47:15,549 --> 00:47:13,069
happens in real life they go oh my god

968
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:15,559
how could that possibly happen well

969
00:47:20,530 --> 00:47:18,290
you've developed a culture that expects

970
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:20,540
that there's also another TV show called

971
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Chicago PD where the focus is on this

972
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:29,650
unit that stretches the boundaries of

973
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:32,450
police procedure to do things but that's

974
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:34,250
where you always say you know you see

975
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:37,010
them going to the perp or suspected perp

976
00:47:41,499 --> 00:47:39,170
and knocking their heads into the wall

977
00:47:42,969 --> 00:47:41,509
or on the table and stuff that you know

978
00:47:44,889 --> 00:47:42,979
if it happened in the real world there'd

979
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:44,899
be lawsuits and everything else listen

980
00:47:51,759 --> 00:47:47,630
let's move away from this well there was

981
00:47:54,459 --> 00:47:51,769
another series that just finished called

982
00:47:57,549 --> 00:47:54,469
gang-related and that was doing the

983
00:48:00,579 --> 00:47:57,559
identical thing in their case it was

984
00:48:02,349 --> 00:48:00,589
supposed to be LAPD and they were using

985
00:48:06,789 --> 00:48:02,359
tactics and procedures that would

986
00:48:09,489 --> 00:48:06,799
frankly get you arrested and yet people

987
00:48:14,249 --> 00:48:09,499
have believed and this is by the way ia

988
00:48:17,889 --> 00:48:14,259
CP did plan out commentary on that

989
00:48:19,929 --> 00:48:17,899
regarding Ferguson saying media is part

990
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:19,939
of the problem here because they have

991
00:48:27,009 --> 00:48:22,609
developed these expectations that are

992
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:27,019
just totally ridiculous and no basis in

993
00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:31,609
reality and yet people start seeing

994
00:48:36,879 --> 00:48:34,009
those as the expected way for law

995
00:48:38,979 --> 00:48:36,889
enforcement to respond now let's not

996
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:38,989
totally exonerate law enforcement so

997
00:48:47,259 --> 00:48:41,630
yeah because they're being programmed by

998
00:48:49,959 --> 00:48:47,269
the same culture yeah well they did

999
00:48:54,819 --> 00:48:49,969
again my son is involved where they do

1000
00:48:58,419 --> 00:48:54,829
background research on all potential

1001
00:49:02,229 --> 00:48:58,429
candidates for their academy and one of

1002
00:49:06,089 --> 00:49:02,239
these is a 90% of the people who apply

1003
00:49:10,149 --> 00:49:06,099
cannot you know pass a preliminary

1004
00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:10,159
background checks he even pointed out

1005
00:49:18,279 --> 00:49:15,339
that they were getting a lot of

1006
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:18,289
applicants who were coming out of the

1007
00:49:25,149 --> 00:49:20,689
state correction systems ie they were

1008
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:25,159
from the penitentiary and said you know

1009
00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:27,529
they had backgrounds that they weren't

1010
00:49:31,799 --> 00:49:29,059
able to hire them and yet they were

1011
00:49:35,769 --> 00:49:31,809
coming out of the law enforcement system

1012
00:49:37,649 --> 00:49:35,779
Wow oh boy well it's gonna get a lot

1013
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:37,659
more interesting before it gets any more

1014
00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:41,630
normalized I think that our culture is

1015
00:49:47,289 --> 00:49:43,699
we're actually not the the violence

1016
00:49:50,349 --> 00:49:47,299
angle in interactions between law

1017
00:49:53,259 --> 00:49:50,359
enforcement and in the community whether

1018
00:49:54,849 --> 00:49:53,269
it's justified or not but I think that

1019
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:54,859
that's got to have a detrimental effect

1020
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,550
I think

1021
00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:58,400
overall on how people respond to

1022
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:00,980
stressful situations when violence is

1023
00:50:06,370 --> 00:50:03,770
employed when non-lethal violence is

1024
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:06,380
employed and and these are sticky

1025
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:08,540
subjects that really deserve their own

1026
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:10,940
show let's let's kind of move on a

1027
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,490
little bit here and talk about how you

1028
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:16,010
transition from your military career and

1029
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:19,610
in your work at los alamos and then into

1030
00:50:23,730 --> 00:50:21,230
your involvement let's say with the

1031
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:23,740
National Institute for discovery science

1032
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:27,020
Robert Bigelow's organization needs that

1033
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:29,930
was formed back in the I think early 90s

1034
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:32,630
oh how did you get involved with Bigelow

1035
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:34,670
initially I'd never really fully

1036
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:36,950
understood how you were brought on board

1037
00:50:41,530 --> 00:50:39,380
as an advisor and and give us a little

1038
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,540
bit of background of what the initial

1039
00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:44,480
vision of knids was and why Bigelow has

1040
00:50:49,330 --> 00:50:46,520
spent so much money looking into

1041
00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:49,340
subjects that are fairly fringe - I'm

1042
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:52,100
sure many of your contemporaries in in

1043
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:54,230
the military and in the scientific

1044
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:54,740
realms

1045
00:51:00,310 --> 00:50:57,230
could you give us a thumbnail sketch of

1046
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:00,320
that I'll tell you what let's just do

1047
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:02,360
the break now because he's not going to

1048
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,250
give you a 20-second thumbnail now

1049
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:06,170
otherwise it's gonna be the smallest

1050
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:08,870
thumbnail we've ever seen miniaturize

1051
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:11,090
for use on the new Apple watch tiny

1052
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:12,770
thumbnails or something like that or

1053
00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:15,710
nano thumbnails that would be really

1054
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:17,240
incredible all right

1055
00:51:24,580 --> 00:51:20,230
so dr. john alexander will talk about

1056
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:24,590
Bigelow lids all that stuff a constant

1057
00:51:34,380 --> 00:51:27,410
subject of discussion in our forms with

1058
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:37,270
[Music]

1059
00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:41,069
great minds think alike the network for

1060
00:51:46,279 --> 00:51:42,809
the independent-minded

1061
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:46,289
the genesis communications network G C

1062
00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,619
and how many good people procrastinate

1063
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:51,480
when was the last time you updated your

1064
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:53,250
last will and testament your living will

1065
00:51:56,839 --> 00:51:55,170
and your healthcare power of attorney if

1066
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:56,849
you could get these documents included

1067
00:52:00,559 --> 00:51:58,650
with your Legal Shield membership for no

1068
00:52:01,849 --> 00:52:00,569
additional charge wouldn't it just make

1069
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,859
sense to have the peace of mind of

1070
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,140
owning a Legal Shield membership worry

1071
00:52:06,799 --> 00:52:06,180
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1073
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:09,270
that's LS protection calm or call eight

1074
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1075
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:14,069
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1076
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:16,200
two eight three results will vary from

1077
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:16,920
case to case

1078
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:19,380
hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

1079
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,910
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1080
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:22,440
investment advisors won't talk about

1081
00:52:26,299 --> 00:52:24,390
gold IRAs they've been available since

1082
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:26,309
nineteen eighty six yet the financial

1083
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,990
industry won't recognize the value of

1084
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,760
gold for your attire mint coal has

1085
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:31,740
outperformed paper investments yet no

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now here's Jane Steinberg the question

1120
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:13,730
from Chris O'Brien on the tape on the

1121
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:17,510
para cast with dr. John Alexander tell

1122
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:20,390
us about your involvement with Bigelow's

1123
00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:24,369
efforts well it started very

1124
00:54:30,849 --> 00:54:28,820
unexpectedly I had seen him once I did

1125
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:30,859
not really know who he was I got a call

1126
00:54:38,770 --> 00:54:33,890
one Sunday morning living in South Bay

1127
00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:38,780
saying that he was interested in these

1128
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unusual topics and did I have anything

1129
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:45,200
of interest as a funny you should call

1130
00:54:50,349 --> 00:54:47,000
the day it was a Sunday morning because

1131
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:50,359
in my kitchen at this moment or guys

1132
00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:53,390
like he'll put off and some others that

1133
00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:55,369
you probably wouldn't know and we're

1134
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:00,770
here discussing just that and then over

1135
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:04,609
time he decided that he wanted to form

1136
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,180
needs and to look at two specific areas

1137
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:11,119
one was UFOs and the other was

1138
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:13,910
continuation of consciousness beyond

1139
00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:17,450
death both the areas that I have you

1140
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:19,820
know been involved in previously in

1141
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:23,800
various aspect so and invited me over

1142
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:28,250
agreed to do a half time basis it

1143
00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:32,450
brought Coulomb caliber on to run the

1144
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:34,700
organization as you know I had a number

1145
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:38,480
of folks multiple phd-level individuals

1146
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:41,930
we put together a world-class science

1147
00:55:48,099 --> 00:55:45,710
board and to say the rest is history

1148
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:48,109
what was your particular role in the

1149
00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,089
organization I know you were advising

1150
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:52,460
him on a variety of projects and

1151
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,430
subjects but what was your role this

1152
00:56:00,339 --> 00:55:56,960
whole idea of continuation of

1153
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:00,349
consciousness you know what was his

1154
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:03,470
motivation for this as a businessman I'm

1155
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:06,140
having a hard time reconciling this

1156
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:07,430
particular interest

1157
00:56:13,329 --> 00:56:09,440
with anything that could be applicable

1158
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:13,339
in the commercial sense yeah well when

1159
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:15,740
we had first many remember he was one of

1160
00:56:24,279 --> 00:56:19,430
the sponsors of the conference at MIT

1161
00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:24,289
with John Mack on abductions what I

1162
00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:27,470
didn't know at the time that I met him

1163
00:56:35,529 --> 00:56:30,309
was in a surprise that within 30 days

1164
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:35,539
prior to that had lost his son personal

1165
00:56:43,089 --> 00:56:39,950
interest has a lot of driving force and

1166
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:43,099
those issues the other is of course it's

1167
00:56:51,970 --> 00:56:46,250
a an issue that faces a hundred percent

1168
00:56:55,029 --> 00:56:51,980
of us so everybody has some vested

1169
00:56:58,779 --> 00:56:55,039
interest in the outcome certainly we

1170
00:57:00,220 --> 00:56:58,789
have a question on on our forum at forum

1171
00:57:05,529 --> 00:57:00,230
dr. Peric ask.com

1172
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:05,539
that is kind of wondering about that and

1173
00:57:09,789 --> 00:57:08,059
and this comes from one of our number

1174
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:09,799
one posters here at forum dr. Peric

1175
00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:13,250
ascom he's received more likes for his

1176
00:57:18,579 --> 00:57:15,380
post than he's posted which is always a

1177
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:18,589
good sign in my book and he's wondering

1178
00:57:24,339 --> 00:57:21,770
I kind of what connections if any have

1179
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:24,349
you discovered between not near-death

1180
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:26,119
experiences and other paranormal

1181
00:57:32,890 --> 00:57:28,270
phenomena such as poltergeist activity

1182
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:32,900
psy phenomenon or UFOs yeah I've

1183
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:35,750
actually written to this and spoken

1184
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:38,569
several times and my view one of the big

1185
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:44,210
problems we have in all of phenomenology

1186
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:48,890
is the tendency to stoke pipe meaning we

1187
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,770
look at the things you described as as

1188
00:57:58,529 --> 00:57:54,559
if they're individual and have set

1189
00:58:01,269 --> 00:57:58,539
boundaries and I think that's

1190
00:58:03,309 --> 00:58:01,279
detrimental I mean let me just give you

1191
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:03,319
an example with near-death experience I

1192
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:07,460
think if we could rename it we probably

1193
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,250
would it's like flying saucers yeah

1194
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:13,520
you'd probably rename that even UFOs

1195
00:58:19,029 --> 00:58:15,770
you'd like to rename them and the

1196
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:19,039
problem is that as you get into the

1197
00:58:24,099 --> 00:58:21,230
observation of the Phenom

1198
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:24,109
you start finding things that press the

1199
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:28,250
boundaries now in my view there is some

1200
00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:32,450
sort of interconnection between all of

1201
00:58:38,349 --> 00:58:34,820
these sorts of things and I think that

1202
00:58:40,810 --> 00:58:38,359
consciousness is certainly a piece of

1203
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:40,820
that even though some of them are real

1204
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:44,540
and have you know affection the physical

1205
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:47,050
reality as we know it it seems to be

1206
00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:52,010
beyond oh let me take shamans furnaces I

1207
00:58:59,260 --> 00:58:55,160
met with shamans all over the world

1208
00:59:03,640 --> 00:58:59,270
in the West we tend to think of physical

1209
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:03,650
reality as we know it and what the

1210
00:59:09,490 --> 00:59:05,930
spirit world has something that's

1211
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:09,500
separate and distinct and yet in other

1212
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:13,730
cultures these are connected totally

1213
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:16,970
connected and shamans often move

1214
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:20,210
seamlessly back and forth between the

1215
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:23,900
two so that's the your worldview that's

1216
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:28,400
really quite different and the Western

1217
00:59:32,859 --> 00:59:30,650
worldview of course is driven by

1218
00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:32,869
material science which says you know if

1219
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:36,140
we can just get the god particle Higgs

1220
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:39,740
boson or whatever that we will we can

1221
00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:42,530
cut reality into smaller and smaller

1222
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:45,260
pieces and eventually find how

1223
00:59:52,359 --> 00:59:48,680
everything goes together this does not

1224
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:52,369
account for what we see in my local

1225
00:59:58,330 --> 00:59:54,890
phenomena and the various phenomena that

1226
00:59:59,800 --> 00:59:58,340
you described Carol so in other words

1227
01:00:02,560 --> 00:59:59,810
what you're saying is the this

1228
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:02,570
reductionist tendency of modern Western

1229
01:00:09,609 --> 01:00:05,810
science to try to reconcile the

1230
01:00:11,380 --> 01:00:09,619
stovepiping as as it were is is has

1231
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:11,390
really been a dead end up to this point

1232
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:13,550
and what you're suggesting is that there

1233
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:15,410
has to be more of a open-minded

1234
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,710
broad-based approach to these subjects

1235
01:00:22,330 --> 01:00:19,760
in terms of their potential

1236
01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:22,340
interconnectedness we're going to have

1237
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:24,920
to go to break soon here but I'm really

1238
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:29,420
intrigued by your comment that that many

1239
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:32,330
of these phenomena are actually

1240
01:00:36,830 --> 01:00:34,350
connected on some level

1241
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,840
I'm wondering if if this for instance

1242
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:38,160
could be one of the reasons why the

1243
01:00:44,810 --> 01:00:42,450
Sherman Ranch efforts by needs and in

1244
01:00:48,050 --> 01:00:44,820
byblos team up there with your

1245
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:48,060
involvement I must add it kind of hit a

1246
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:49,730
dead wall because reductionist science

1247
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:53,640
requires replication of data and in

1248
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:57,090
order to study it in a scientific manner

1249
01:01:03,260 --> 01:00:59,940
so with this stumbling block in place

1250
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:03,270
what kind of effort do you see that we

1251
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:05,730
need to enact you move forward in this

1252
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:08,160
and and try to get Western science to

1253
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:11,130
get out of that reductionist mold are we

1254
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:12,540
breaking or do you want me to answer

1255
01:01:17,330 --> 01:01:15,900
that why don't you start on the answer

1256
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:17,340
and then we'll do the break in about a

1257
01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:20,130
minute and a half or so okay well I

1258
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:22,140
actually wrote to this in my last book

1259
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:25,860
and what I called precognitive sentience

1260
01:01:33,770 --> 01:01:30,240
phenomenon the ranch has a number of

1261
01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:33,780
very amazing incidents that happens

1262
01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:38,340
absolutely real and my point which goes

1263
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:41,030
along the line that you're outlining is

1264
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:45,180
the phenomena whatever it was was

1265
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:46,350
definitely in control

1266
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:49,460
it was definitely sentient when I said

1267
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:52,980
precognitive it seemed to know how we

1268
01:02:00,080 --> 01:01:56,430
would respond to various stimuli before

1269
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:00,090
they were even given to us and they were

1270
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:04,650
certainly Domino so this whole notion of

1271
01:02:11,710 --> 01:02:06,660
the trickster or something has been

1272
01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:11,720
around forever seems to have a lot of

1273
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:15,360
validity that something else is in

1274
01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:18,330
control pulling the strings and almost

1275
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:22,320
no matter how you went about as we did

1276
01:02:28,820 --> 01:02:24,890
in this case instrumenting the ranch

1277
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:28,830
something different would show up that

1278
01:02:34,940 --> 01:02:31,200
would not be recorded in areas that

1279
01:02:40,550 --> 01:02:34,950
should have been recorded stocking the

1280
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:40,560
tricksters I couldn't have put it better

1281
01:02:46,579 --> 01:02:44,880
myself and I wasn't even there

1282
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:46,589
well he's trying to pretend that he was

1283
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,630
I'm joking but it's really interesting

1284
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:51,359
how you have this element that just kind

1285
01:02:56,059 --> 01:02:54,089
of confounds you especially in this

1286
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:56,069
crazy field where you think you kind of

1287
01:03:01,039 --> 01:02:58,410
have things settled down they have a

1288
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,049
handle on what's going on and suddenly

1289
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:02,880
something out of left field gets in

1290
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:05,400
there and it just messes up everything

1291
01:03:10,489 --> 01:03:08,970
like it a lot because with it right it's

1292
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,499
like the men in black you know you talk

1293
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:12,299
about men in black someone there some

1294
01:03:19,789 --> 01:03:15,660
element physical whatever it comes in

1295
01:03:22,819 --> 01:03:19,799
there and they find ways to turn things

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upside down and send you off in a new

1297
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,079
direction which of course may be

1298
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:26,880
misdirection because that direction has

1299
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,859
nothing to do with anything and nothing

1300
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to do with the reality of the phenomenon

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01:03:35,749 --> 01:03:32,729
that you're trying to research isn't

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that a convoluted answer and speculation

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to start more discussion with dr. John

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01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,900
by reading G Edward Griffin book the

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when we get into tricks Trish kind of

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elements is that what brought about

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things like men and black well quite

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possibly remember the men in black

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:24,359
stories like all of these others vary

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considerably from real people who you

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know come in and suppose they

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interrogate people to others where they

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talk about you know how their clothes

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don't bend or wrinkle how they look a

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little strange other vehicles you know

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go out and are either out of dated or

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just disappear so there's a wide range

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01:08:53,599 --> 01:08:50,819
I mean transitioning to the UFO

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:53,609
phenomena because that I think is kind

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01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:55,890
of classic here because one of the

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questions I ask is what do you mean when

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01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:02,460
we say UFO because they've got little

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balls of light too huge crap more than a

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01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:10,460
mile across in physical reality

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and thousands of variations in between

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01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:17,930
and so the variations are problematic if

1419
01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:19,480
you go to the extra-terrestrial

1420
01:09:25,959 --> 01:09:22,910
hypothesis so wish you a pose you want

1421
01:09:30,459 --> 01:09:25,969
to study balls of light big ones

1422
01:09:33,579 --> 01:09:30,469
triangles etc etc and it get just every

1423
01:09:35,979 --> 01:09:33,589
time I can say you you think you got it

1424
01:09:38,410 --> 01:09:35,989
knocked all of a sudden you get a

1425
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:38,420
different permutation and that gets back

1426
01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:42,319
to who or what is controlling the

1427
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:44,569
phenomena we used to have these

1428
01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:46,730
seven-year cycles who used to have the

1429
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:49,819
ley lines we had a book years ago by a

1430
01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:52,400
French UFO researcher called flying

1431
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:54,380
saucers and the straight-line mystery

1432
01:10:00,850 --> 01:09:56,810
but every time you try to put a handle

1433
01:10:03,459 --> 01:10:00,860
on it the patterns changed right that's

1434
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:03,469
exactly what I think we're discussing

1435
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:05,960
let me take that one step further it's

1436
01:10:11,530 --> 01:10:09,040
one thing to identify the patterning and

1437
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:11,540
consistency within the phenomenon I have

1438
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:13,550
found personally for my investigations

1439
01:10:19,630 --> 01:10:16,610
that as long as I don't publicize these

1440
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:19,640
patterns they tend to supply me with the

1441
01:10:23,650 --> 01:10:22,130
data that gets me even more worked up

1442
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:23,660
and thinking that I'm on the right track

1443
01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:25,750
and as soon as I opened my mouth

1444
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:28,520
invariably the pattern will go 180

1445
01:10:33,940 --> 01:10:32,030
degrees on me that's kind of what led me

1446
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:33,950
in a direction of a trickster estai p--

1447
01:10:38,410 --> 01:10:36,980
energy or mechanism that seemed to be at

1448
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:38,420
play here and it's almost like a

1449
01:10:43,870 --> 01:10:40,850
thermostat as Jacques Vallee mentioned

1450
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:43,880
in several of his books that there seems

1451
01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:45,800
to be an equilibrium that has to be

1452
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:49,070
established and once you get off on a

1453
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,760
particular tangent you get data that is

1454
01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:55,040
diametrically opposed to that tangent

1455
01:10:59,220 --> 01:10:56,630
and it seems to R equal eyes the

1456
01:11:04,240 --> 01:10:59,230
equation if you will and I'm wondering

1457
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,250
how did knids reconcile this very

1458
01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:07,760
perplexing and I must say frustrating

1459
01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:10,040
problem well I don't think we did

1460
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:12,350
reconcile it we got to the point of

1461
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:15,440
saying this is reality and we certainly

1462
01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:20,420
acknowledge the complexity of the issue

1463
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:23,870
you know in my book on UFO

1464
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:26,540
you know the first line that I wrote is

1465
01:11:33,340 --> 01:11:29,900
UFOs are real and I mean things that are

1466
01:11:36,730 --> 01:11:33,350
sometimes in physical reality the last

1467
01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:36,740
paragraph discusses whatever this is it

1468
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:39,350
is more complex than we ever imagined

1469
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:41,450
and maybe more complex and we could

1470
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:44,480
imagine so I think we're all these

1471
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:47,870
bonamo we're at the front end and I you

1472
01:11:53,020 --> 01:11:50,030
know people say well what is a B answer

1473
01:11:57,190 --> 01:11:53,030
hey I don't think there is a the answer

1474
01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:57,200
or singularity and I think that we're at

1475
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:00,440
the point where we need to get the best

1476
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:02,570
and brightest minds and make it possible

1477
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:08,110
for them to you know study these issues

1478
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:13,250
damn your reputation or their rear yeah

1479
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,650
because these are taboo subjects and

1480
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until we can get the stigma D attached

1481
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from them we're not going to be able to

1482
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get those brightest minds as you put it

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01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:25,700
- in all confidence be able to devote

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01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:29,060
you know their considerable intellects

1485
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:32,270
on these questions and I really think

1486
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it's an important and that's one thing

1487
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that I really took away from the

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01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:37,820
interview that you did for the

1489
01:12:42,430 --> 01:12:40,580
disclosure dialog video where you said

1490
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:42,440
we need to get this stigma off these

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:44,600
subjects so that we can apply some of

1492
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:46,250
the brightest minds to this this

1493
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:49,730
conundrum so how do I was things that

1494
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:53,030
we're talking about are at least as

1495
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complex as aids in cancer and that so if

1496
01:13:02,290 --> 01:12:58,880
you look at the amount of resources that

1497
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are applied to those topics and having

1498
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:04,370
trouble you can imagine where we are

1499
01:13:10,570 --> 01:13:07,610
when we equate that to the study of

1500
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:10,580
these various phenomena you know we were

1501
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,590
talking about interconnectedness where

1502
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:14,480
do you think the connecting points lie

1503
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,690
between all these various phenomena you

1504
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:20,000
know we have obviously the the whole

1505
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:22,910
subject of human awareness and human

1506
01:13:28,060 --> 01:13:26,450
consciousness and we also have something

1507
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:28,070
that's very tricksters out there that

1508
01:13:34,690 --> 01:13:31,040
seems to second gets very effectively

1509
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:34,700
and impede predetermine our responses on

1510
01:13:40,330 --> 01:13:37,730
on various stimuli that we will try

1511
01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:40,340
to study where do you find those

1512
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:42,020
connecting points and how would you

1513
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:44,570
describe them at this point well

1514
01:13:52,300 --> 01:13:48,560
certainly consciousness is a key issue

1515
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:52,310
and that is that you start seeing things

1516
01:13:59,380 --> 01:13:54,890
that you expect you mentioned before how

1517
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,390
phenomena have morphed as you get more

1518
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,000
and more involved in it and it seems to

1519
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:05,600
change one example that I like to use

1520
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:08,170
also comes from Jack believes work

1521
01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:10,750
mentioned in the book but there was an

1522
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:15,860
example in the early 20th century the

1523
01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:18,830
step to turn-of-the-century guys believe

1524
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:21,020
in the state of Washington and drives

1525
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:23,570
around and he said here was this a

1526
01:14:30,820 --> 01:14:27,980
heptagonal UFO hovering and I could see

1527
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:30,830
every rivet in it now what was

1528
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:33,770
interesting about that is at that time

1529
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:36,800
advanced space technology and rivets

1530
01:14:44,110 --> 01:14:39,770
would have been very advanced and yet

1531
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:44,120
within 50 years we would know no way in

1532
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:47,510
hell would you use rivets in some kind

1533
01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:50,870
of extraterrestrial craft so the point

1534
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:54,260
here was it was advanced of human

1535
01:15:00,400 --> 01:14:57,290
consciousness at that time but not

1536
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:00,410
beyond where we were going to go in the

1537
01:15:06,250 --> 01:15:03,290
very near future well it almost sounds

1538
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:06,260
like we're being kind of tricked to go

1539
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:08,930
after a particular carrot that seems to

1540
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:11,090
couch itself in a way that we're able to

1541
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:14,830
to cognize and understand yet it's not

1542
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:18,080
so high-tech that it appears as arthur c

1543
01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:20,390
clarke would say like magic and we do

1544
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:23,030
have obviously examples of inexplicable

1545
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:25,970
phenomenal events that you know the the

1546
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:28,250
witness just could not possibly explain

1547
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:30,470
but do you think that we're being kind

1548
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:34,310
of gradually led or tricked into going

1549
01:15:37,690 --> 01:15:36,110
in a particular direction in terms of

1550
01:15:41,170 --> 01:15:37,700
technology and awareness of

1551
01:15:45,729 --> 01:15:41,180
consciousness oh that's hard to say

1552
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:45,739
I mean we're obviously advancing in some

1553
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:47,870
degree I'm not sure our social

1554
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:49,730
applications are keeping up with

1555
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technology

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01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:54,230
but yeah where does all that I don't

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:15:59,840
know extracted that that's a ponderous

1558
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:02,810
that's beyond my understanding

1559
01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:05,180
let me throw out a theory for you which

1560
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I'll start here and then you could do

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01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:08,480
whatever you want with it or just send

1562
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it back and that is that maybe the UFO

1563
01:16:17,230 --> 01:16:14,510
phenomenon is here to lead us in

1564
01:16:20,140 --> 01:16:17,240
different directions and what do we mean

1565
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:20,150
by that well I'll explain more or less

1566
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,250
in our next segment with leaders off

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planet Jean well that's certainly a part

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of it dr. John Alexander with Jean and

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

1678
01:21:01,709 --> 01:20:59,860
you are listening to the podcast with

1679
01:21:03,899 --> 01:21:01,719
Jeanne and Chris and the para cast we're

1680
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:03,909
talking about flying saucers being here

1681
01:21:11,250 --> 01:21:07,860
to make us think is Ray Palmer said what

1682
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,260
5060 years ago I don't recall long long

1683
01:21:15,689 --> 01:21:13,840
time ago but the point being here is

1684
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:15,699
that the presence of UFOs got us

1685
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:18,880
thinking in terms of building spacecraft

1686
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:22,630
in terms of building hovercraft so of

1687
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:24,130
course we have all these theories here

1688
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:25,570
that some of these developments are all

1689
01:21:30,780 --> 01:21:28,030
part of reverse engineering the crashed

1690
01:21:32,959 --> 01:21:30,790
spaceships at Roswell but maybe the

1691
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:32,969
presence of the UFOs and what they do

1692
01:21:38,729 --> 01:21:36,280
gives us clues to the future of course

1693
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:38,739
Chris mentioned one which is to bring us

1694
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:41,050
off planet we're being told by the

1695
01:21:45,689 --> 01:21:43,329
phenomenon we've got to get out there

1696
01:21:48,030 --> 01:21:45,699
whether to escape a disaster or just

1697
01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:48,040
part of our evolution but also in the

1698
01:21:52,890 --> 01:21:50,409
meantime our scientific developments are

1699
01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:52,900
brought forward by what we observe and

1700
01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:55,630
what we know about these visitors who

1701
01:22:02,280 --> 01:21:59,050
and what they are dr. Alexander well

1702
01:22:06,060 --> 01:22:02,290
another thing that I did address again

1703
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:06,070
in the last book briefly is what I call

1704
01:22:14,669 --> 01:22:11,050
my law of appropriate complexity sounds

1705
01:22:18,209 --> 01:22:14,679
appropriately complex the law of

1706
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:18,219
appropriate complexity and what I mean

1707
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:22,570
by that is that every person on the

1708
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:27,030
planet is faced with a series of

1709
01:22:32,819 --> 01:22:30,880
problems and understandings and there

1710
01:22:34,979 --> 01:22:32,829
are simple people who are worried about

1711
01:22:37,290 --> 01:22:34,989
you know where's the next meal coming

1712
01:22:39,379 --> 01:22:37,300
from and that's the sort of things they

1713
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:39,389
worried about all the way up to

1714
01:22:45,780 --> 01:22:42,730
theoretical physicists doing you know

1715
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:45,790
the Maslow hierarchy of needs and

1716
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:49,690
whatnot but what it appears to me is

1717
01:22:55,260 --> 01:22:53,380
that as you advance and you get more and

1718
01:22:59,370 --> 01:22:55,270
more understanding at whatever level

1719
01:23:02,459 --> 01:22:59,380
you're at just as you're about to get

1720
01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:02,469
things figured out and understand

1721
01:23:06,210 --> 01:23:03,790
everything

1722
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:06,220
all of a sudden you find a whole new

1723
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:09,370
order of magnitude of complexity that's

1724
01:23:15,210 --> 01:23:12,670
presented to you and again you follow

1725
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:15,220
through that stage and just as you think

1726
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:18,550
you got that one nailed oops here comes

1727
01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:21,760
something you know even more complex

1728
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:23,320
than what you were dealing with before

1729
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:25,330
there's a sense of people the studies

1730
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,390
phenomena you know you open the door and

1731
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:31,120
it's like wow this is different then you

1732
01:23:37,710 --> 01:23:34,030
start to figure it out and then here

1733
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:37,720
comes even more and Wilder changes and

1734
01:23:43,020 --> 01:23:39,790
yet when you try to explain some of

1735
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:43,030
these things to people who are back you

1736
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:44,920
know three or four iterations you just

1737
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:47,260
get what you must be crazy it doesn't

1738
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:50,170
happen right let opens up that that

1739
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:52,630
axiom the more you know the more you

1740
01:23:58,740 --> 01:23:56,620
know you don't know right well this kind

1741
01:24:02,150 --> 01:23:58,750
of brings us to an interesting point

1742
01:24:05,550 --> 01:24:02,160
here I think in our our history as as a

1743
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:05,560
potential spacefaring species and that

1744
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:08,730
is the whole idea that's been proposed

1745
01:24:14,340 --> 01:24:12,310
of late of a breakaway civilization

1746
01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:14,350
Richard Dolan Joseph Ferrell there's

1747
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:16,870
been a number of you know researchers

1748
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:19,840
whose work I admire who are starting to

1749
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:22,060
come to the conclusion that maybe we

1750
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:24,700
have latched on to some technological

1751
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:27,640
breakthroughs on some exalted level of

1752
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:30,250
our of our civilization and some

1753
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:34,960
individuals and some well-funded efforts

1754
01:24:40,740 --> 01:24:37,690
have continued and forged ahead in

1755
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:40,750
secret ahead of where the you know your

1756
01:24:47,070 --> 01:24:44,380
average you know person would have any

1757
01:24:48,570 --> 01:24:47,080
sort of awareness where do you come down

1758
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:48,580
on this whole idea of a breakaway

1759
01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:51,310
civilization and and is it possible that

1760
01:24:57,630 --> 01:24:54,940
many of the types of objects and events

1761
01:25:00,420 --> 01:24:57,640
that are described as UFOs could be

1762
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:00,430
possibly secret military technology for

1763
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:02,290
instance what do you think of this whole

1764
01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:04,810
idea that maybe a vast majority of these

1765
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:07,780
sightings or a sizeable majority may be

1766
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:12,610
us in secret yeah I put that there's a

1767
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:16,210
very very low probability they adjust

1768
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:17,320
the military is

1769
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:20,110
first and that is you know we have been

1770
01:25:29,010 --> 01:25:23,440
it comes conflict since as you pointed

1771
01:25:33,690 --> 01:25:29,020
out this is 9/11 2001 we have spent four

1772
01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:33,700
trillion dollars in that process and has

1773
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:37,720
of last night about to ramp up again

1774
01:25:43,770 --> 01:25:40,510
in the Middle East and if you were doing

1775
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:43,780
that I would anticipate seeing some

1776
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:46,870
dramatic leaps in technology because

1777
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:49,210
there's a great impetus you know no

1778
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:52,090
boots on the ground and all of that and

1779
01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:55,030
yet what have we seen well we've seen

1780
01:26:00,660 --> 01:25:57,490
the gases Joint Strike Fighter which is

1781
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:00,670
now the f-35 is it advanced yes

1782
01:26:08,250 --> 01:26:04,920
is that a quantum leap over only been no

1783
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:08,260
also if you look at the technology and

1784
01:26:14,220 --> 01:26:11,590
their technologies have improved bionics

1785
01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:14,230
for instance what we've done because of

1786
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:16,990
the unfortunate incidents of people

1787
01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:20,410
losing limbs made dramatic advances

1788
01:26:27,210 --> 01:26:23,560
there but nothing that makes the big

1789
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:27,220
leap now the bar arena and the whole

1790
01:26:33,180 --> 01:26:30,270
nonsense greer and others put out about

1791
01:26:35,250 --> 01:26:33,190
well we have a reverse engineer and we

1792
01:26:37,650 --> 01:26:35,260
have free energy and they're hiding it

1793
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:37,660
that makes absolutely no sense

1794
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:41,410
whatsoever if we had little widgets that

1795
01:26:45,690 --> 01:26:43,450
were flying around we had reverse

1796
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:45,700
engineering a UFO for instance in my

1797
01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:51,490
view no it's not about that it would be

1798
01:26:58,650 --> 01:26:54,760
about a fundamental different source of

1799
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,660
energy which would change geopolitics in

1800
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:01,360
the world you know this is where I have

1801
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:03,370
taken all the change the bottom line for

1802
01:27:09,150 --> 01:27:05,140
the energy company that's for sure

1803
01:27:10,940 --> 01:27:09,160
well no I totally disagree I don't think

1804
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:10,950
it would make any difference whatsoever

1805
01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:14,490
and here's where you get into global

1806
01:27:20,250 --> 01:27:18,280
economics and this is where you know the

1807
01:27:23,610 --> 01:27:20,260
people who own the current energy

1808
01:27:26,430 --> 01:27:23,620
companies would own the new technology

1809
01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:26,440
the money is concentrated in the ill the

1810
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:29,080
hands are so few people that the

1811
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:30,790
ultra-rich would be the one

1812
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:33,430
involved it would just go okay we're

1813
01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:35,590
getting money from a different source

1814
01:27:41,940 --> 01:27:38,230
yeah you did have a few people would

1815
01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:41,950
probably don't make money in the process

1816
01:27:48,540 --> 01:27:44,740
but overall the funding of the world is

1817
01:27:52,230 --> 01:27:48,550
concentrated as they say in the 1% and

1818
01:27:55,230 --> 01:27:52,240
you find that the ultra-rich have more

1819
01:27:58,260 --> 01:27:55,240
in common with each other than they do

1820
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:58,270
with any nationality which might be

1821
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:02,080
their happenstance of birth they you

1822
01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:04,530
know fortunate some of these things so

1823
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:08,980
no III don't see this as any need to

1824
01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:12,430
hide the technology as it would make

1825
01:28:19,230 --> 01:28:16,150
things a lot easier for them to well my

1826
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:19,240
I would counter by saying if we're the

1827
01:28:23,250 --> 01:28:20,890
strongest military power on the planet

1828
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:23,260
with conventional technology why reveal

1829
01:28:29,070 --> 01:28:27,370
your ace in the hole because for four

1830
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:29,080
trillion dollars

1831
01:28:37,170 --> 01:28:34,050
people say that have in my view no

1832
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:37,180
understanding of what is going on in the

1833
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:40,750
military today I get a compendium from

1834
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:44,020
the State Department twice a day I also

1835
01:28:48,150 --> 01:28:46,210
follow a lot on the websites and what's

1836
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:48,160
going on the military is drawing down

1837
01:28:54,980 --> 01:28:51,940
their funds are being cut dramatically

1838
01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:54,990
anything that would give you a

1839
01:29:04,230 --> 01:28:58,620
significant leg up what would have been

1840
01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:04,240
used by now I mean they are literally at

1841
01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:07,720
wit's end as to what to do and funding

1842
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:10,600
of the military and application anything

1843
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:12,810
would give you a huge technological

1844
01:29:18,630 --> 01:29:16,000
advantage would definitely be rolled out

1845
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:18,640
you also have to remember and we talked

1846
01:29:22,530 --> 01:29:20,080
before about the development of

1847
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:22,540
technology from the time you get a

1848
01:29:31,860 --> 01:29:27,130
breakthrough in weapons technology ms

1849
01:29:36,690 --> 01:29:31,870
about 20 years before you field a field

1850
01:29:42,050 --> 01:29:36,700
and system and you know 15 years is

1851
01:29:44,729 --> 01:29:42,060
really moving fast it's fast tracking it

1852
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:44,739
and then it's another 20 years for them

1853
01:29:51,870 --> 01:29:47,320
to reveal it to the US public or to me

1854
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:51,880
you see it the things I want what

1855
01:29:59,089 --> 01:29:54,880
technologies were talking about but with

1856
01:30:01,500 --> 01:29:59,099
spiritual men also for quite miserable

1857
01:30:03,839 --> 01:30:01,510
okay so when we come back let's talk

1858
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:03,849
about the possibility that at least some

1859
01:30:12,180 --> 01:30:06,610
percentage of UFO sightings could be

1860
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,190
some sort of exotic psychotronic weapons

1861
01:30:17,759 --> 01:30:15,280
platforms whatever that are not quite

1862
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:17,769
you know there in the operational stage

1863
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:19,570
but there they haven't been divulged yet

1864
01:30:24,180 --> 01:30:22,210
we have dr. John Alexander joining us

1865
01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:24,190
you're here with Jean with Chris

1866
01:30:33,090 --> 01:30:26,710
exploring the unknown and what makes it

1867
01:30:38,660 --> 01:30:36,500
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1868
01:30:41,229 --> 01:30:38,670
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1869
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:41,239
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01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:44,970
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C n first game attack of the rock codes

1872
01:30:52,130 --> 01:30:49,680
and it was a critically acclaimed

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01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:52,140
success and now there's the coming of

1874
01:30:56,300 --> 01:30:54,000
the protectors a former military

1875
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:56,310
intelligence man is contacted by a space

1876
01:31:01,100 --> 01:30:58,530
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

1877
01:31:02,540 --> 01:31:01,110
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

1878
01:31:03,380 --> 01:31:02,550
our distant planet are planning to

1879
01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:03,390
conquer the earth

1880
01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:06,060
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[Music]

1968
01:35:08,030 --> 01:34:58,540
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1969
01:35:15,450 --> 01:35:11,340
secret weapons incredible technologies

1970
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:15,460
are UFO's perhaps simply things that we

1971
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:18,940
developed not alien or paranormal

1972
01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:21,490
visitors of one kind or another dr. John

1973
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:24,070
Alexander's here with Jean and Chris dr.

1974
01:35:31,550 --> 01:35:27,490
Alexander are a lot of the things we see

1975
01:35:36,450 --> 01:35:31,560
in call UFO is really our own craft well

1976
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:36,460
recent years the UAVs but popolino as

1977
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,520
drones have increased dramatically and

1978
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:41,440
then we always talk about UFOs you're

1979
01:35:46,620 --> 01:35:43,330
just talking about things that you have

1980
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:46,630
seen that are flying and you don't

1981
01:35:53,490 --> 01:35:50,590
understand it so I would anticipate that

1982
01:35:57,090 --> 01:35:53,500
sightings would go up dramatically we've

1983
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done a lot of work on you know signal

1984
01:36:02,280 --> 01:35:59,650
reduction commonly known as stealth

1985
01:36:04,530 --> 01:36:02,290
those sorts of things so yeah yeah a lot

1986
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:04,540
of them are and that's been true all

1987
01:36:10,980 --> 01:36:08,320
along now when you get to the really

1988
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:10,990
exotic sightings that have been seen

1989
01:36:17,790 --> 01:36:14,410
them absolutely not you know we're

1990
01:36:23,130 --> 01:36:17,800
talking about the things that appear and

1991
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,140
disappear and make 45 key right angle

1992
01:36:29,370 --> 01:36:25,600
terms and things of that nature then oh

1993
01:36:32,730 --> 01:36:29,380
this is way way beyond any technology

1994
01:36:34,710 --> 01:36:32,740
that's currently in the inventory okay

1995
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:34,720
so where's the line of demarcation what

1996
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:37,600
can we do what do you think we can do

1997
01:36:41,970 --> 01:36:40,030
right now with secret weapons and also

1998
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:41,980
going back to the early days of the UFO

1999
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:43,420
field where there's been some

2000
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:45,460
speculation and some of the things that

2001
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,530
we saw during World War 2 like the ghost

2002
01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:49,840
rockets or the early cases such as

2003
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:52,750
Kenneth Arnold the Roswell crash they

2004
01:36:58,740 --> 01:36:56,530
all involve stuff that we had nut stuff

2005
01:37:03,260 --> 01:36:58,750
that came from some unknown source I

2006
01:37:06,330 --> 01:37:03,270
will not put Roswell in the same

2007
01:37:08,010 --> 01:37:06,340
category as the other sightings well

2008
01:37:10,890 --> 01:37:08,020
certainly they've been a series of

2009
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:10,900
sightings it is my view and this was

2010
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:14,110
terribly unpopular I know but that

2011
01:37:20,129 --> 01:37:18,250
Roswell was in fact ours and you know

2012
01:37:23,939 --> 01:37:20,139
exotic for the time

2013
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:23,949
but not super advanced and I think that

2014
01:37:29,819 --> 01:37:26,530
the evidence for that is very very

2015
01:37:33,149 --> 01:37:29,829
strong that's at some of the other cases

2016
01:37:35,699 --> 01:37:33,159
that you mentioned as I said with UFOs

2017
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:35,709
basically every sensory system we have

2018
01:37:42,299 --> 01:37:39,760
picks them up and this is why in my view

2019
01:37:45,449 --> 01:37:42,309
what we need is to you know do the step

2020
01:37:47,429 --> 01:37:45,459
back to try to do analysis first of all

2021
01:37:50,129 --> 01:37:47,439
define what are you talking about

2022
01:37:53,060 --> 01:37:50,139
because I don't think we are at the

2023
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point of understanding that question yet

2024
01:38:03,449 --> 01:38:00,810
well here's an example I mean you go

2025
01:38:05,639 --> 01:38:03,459
through the annals of ufology and you

2026
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:05,649
look at all the experts that everybody

2027
01:38:09,839 --> 01:38:06,610
thinks they know what they're talking

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01:38:12,750 --> 01:38:09,849
about and in book after book TV show

2029
01:38:15,770 --> 01:38:12,760
after TV show but I have yet to see

2030
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:15,780
anyone come up with a slam-dunk

2031
01:38:21,509 --> 01:38:18,550
okay well let's put it this way what

2032
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:21,519
about the Foo Fighters we have quite a

2033
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:24,010
number of very credible sightings we

2034
01:38:31,409 --> 01:38:27,369
have military records from bomber crews

2035
01:38:33,629 --> 01:38:31,419
and and you know pilots going over

2036
01:38:35,669 --> 01:38:33,639
Europe even some fairly credible

2037
01:38:37,889 --> 01:38:35,679
sightings in the Pacific Theater of

2038
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these luminous balls that seem to

2039
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:40,510
accompany Allied aircraft they seemed to

2040
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:42,249
dart in and out they seemed to be coming

2041
01:38:48,259 --> 01:38:44,050
from the ground up towards the

2042
01:38:52,379 --> 01:38:48,269
formations of planes I have not seen any

2043
01:38:54,839 --> 01:38:52,389
credible explanation that really is able

2044
01:38:56,819 --> 01:38:54,849
to identify what these objects were

2045
01:39:00,299 --> 01:38:56,829
number one and where they could possibly

2046
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:00,309
have been you know flown from but what

2047
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:02,860
do you think about the Foo Fighters well

2048
01:39:12,839 --> 01:39:07,090
the word you've got a pejorative word in

2049
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:12,849
there and is blown from I don't know

2050
01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:14,649
what they are they have been a mystery

2051
01:39:24,659 --> 01:39:18,760
for you know 6070 years

2052
01:39:28,889 --> 01:39:24,669
Wow and you know this is an example of

2053
01:39:33,729 --> 01:39:28,899
the classic Palama that you just defy

2054
01:39:36,250 --> 01:39:33,739
explanation when you try to sort of out

2055
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:36,260
so one of the issues that I have with

2056
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:40,370
both the you oppose true believers and

2057
01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:44,000
the skeptics is that they tend to take a

2058
01:39:52,330 --> 01:39:48,830
select subset of observation and explain

2059
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:52,340
that and then extrapolate from there to

2060
01:39:58,900 --> 01:39:55,790
the whole saying well if we can explain

2061
01:40:01,690 --> 01:39:58,910
the above light you know then I can

2062
01:40:04,990 --> 01:40:01,700
explain all of UFOs there you go well it

2063
01:40:07,959 --> 01:40:05,000
just doesn't seem to work that way yeah

2064
01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:07,969
I would agree so is there a possibility

2065
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:11,000
that Foo Fighters were some sort of you

2066
01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:14,690
know exotic technology developed by by

2067
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:16,760
the Axis powers during World War two and

2068
01:40:22,330 --> 01:40:19,850
just became operational at the end of

2069
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the war or are we looking at some sort

2070
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:24,980
of intervention by something under well

2071
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:31,690
I would doubt seriously that it was

2072
01:40:40,810 --> 01:40:38,690
advanced certainly German technology and

2073
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:40,820
you know people come up all the time

2074
01:40:46,750 --> 01:40:43,130
with well they have these advanced

2075
01:40:50,170 --> 01:40:46,760
propulsion you know understood energy

2076
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,180
etc etc and you go well the reason you

2077
01:40:56,860 --> 01:40:53,360
know that that's not true is we're

2078
01:41:01,390 --> 01:40:56,870
speaking English can be heard in there

2079
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:01,400
but they lost and if you had something

2080
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:04,730
that was dramatically advanced would not

2081
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:06,890
have been the case let me give you an

2082
01:41:16,750 --> 01:41:12,290
example in Desert Storm you know in

2083
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:16,760
Desert Storm we took down the Iraqi air

2084
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:19,910
defense system in a matter of days I

2085
01:41:27,130 --> 01:41:24,710
mean it was like slow our showers it was

2086
01:41:30,490 --> 01:41:27,140
down and we could fly almost with

2087
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,500
infinity and the point was that our

2088
01:41:36,340 --> 01:41:32,960
technological advance they had pretty

2089
01:41:40,450 --> 01:41:36,350
advanced Soviet equipment and we were

2090
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:40,460
about 10 years ahead so if a 10 year

2091
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:44,210
advance allows you to end basically in

2092
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:47,360
the war in hours

2093
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:50,480
that you can imagine that if somebody

2094
01:41:56,010 --> 01:41:53,330
had this huge advantage in world war two

2095
01:42:03,040 --> 01:41:56,020
we would have seen it and it just

2096
01:42:05,290 --> 01:42:03,050
doesn't happen no well we we have a

2097
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,300
bunch of questions from our listeners

2098
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:07,940
that post on the question Bank of forum

2099
01:42:15,370 --> 01:42:12,130
dr. Peric ascom one of our most prolific

2100
01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:15,380
posters is Randall who calls himself

2101
01:42:21,970 --> 01:42:16,310
ufology

2102
01:42:24,220 --> 01:42:21,980
he runs USI in Calgary Alberta and he

2103
01:42:26,590 --> 01:42:24,230
has read your book and he's posted a

2104
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:26,600
number of very probing questions here

2105
01:42:30,580 --> 01:42:28,730
and one of them is when you were looking

2106
01:42:33,220 --> 01:42:30,590
into evidence within the military for

2107
01:42:36,940 --> 01:42:33,230
the existence of UFOs how deep were you

2108
01:42:41,010 --> 01:42:36,950
able to search AF SPC the United States

2109
01:42:45,370 --> 01:42:41,020
Air Force Base command their records and

2110
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:45,380
specifically records for detection of

2111
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:47,270
targets that behaved in such a way as to

2112
01:42:51,190 --> 01:42:49,040
suggest that they might have been some

2113
01:42:54,490 --> 01:42:51,200
sort of alien craft were you able to

2114
01:43:00,760 --> 01:42:54,500
make any headway with that hey we had a

2115
01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:00,770
participant B I got count out his name I

2116
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:04,940
met with the commander discussed it with

2117
01:43:18,210 --> 01:43:10,370
them certainly not on his radar well

2118
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:18,220
maybe it was on his a member from there

2119
01:43:23,770 --> 01:43:21,320
participating okay well how about the

2120
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:23,780
NRO this is something that's come up

2121
01:43:35,710 --> 01:43:32,210
since the publication of your book right

2122
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:35,720
well your knowledge has anyone been able

2123
01:43:43,930 --> 01:43:39,410
to crack that particular database I mean

2124
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:43,940
the NRO is is you know in their purview

2125
01:43:52,150 --> 01:43:47,710
I would suspect is to monitor the entire

2126
01:43:54,850 --> 01:43:52,160
airspace and near space around our

2127
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:54,860
planet and you would think that the NRO

2128
01:44:00,130 --> 01:43:57,530
would have a leg up on any sort of

2129
01:44:00,410 --> 01:44:00,140
incursions into our airspace if they

2130
01:44:02,780 --> 01:44:00,420
were

2131
01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:02,790
in a three-dimensional you know sort of

2132
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:05,880
conventional way you know why has the

2133
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,590
NRO not come up as a player in

2134
01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:12,480
monitoring incursions by UFOs into our

2135
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:14,699
airspace and could this be because these

2136
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:17,910
objects are just appearing close to the

2137
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:19,650
ground as opposed to arriving from

2138
01:44:32,060 --> 01:44:27,810
elsewhere because you never mention the

2139
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:32,070
NRO in your book oh not sure I would

2140
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:37,440
have thought yeah I have not at the time

2141
01:44:44,630 --> 01:44:41,130
we had just them I did not although I

2142
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:44,640
had people from there where Louisana

2143
01:44:50,630 --> 01:44:48,360
always set up talked about it and it did

2144
01:44:54,650 --> 01:44:50,640
become a separate organization but it

2145
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:54,660
was really made up participants from

2146
01:44:58,669 --> 01:44:56,730
other organizations for instance they

2147
01:45:02,840 --> 01:44:58,679
had a banner all was an Assistant

2148
01:45:06,580 --> 01:45:02,850
Secretary of the Air Force so there's an

2149
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interrelationship between all of these

2150
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organizations let's do more talk about

2151
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NRO

2152
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in our next segment with dr. John

2153
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Alexander and Jean and Chris and your

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capitalism what was Jefferson correct

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when stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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that explains our monetary system call

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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2216
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:01,550
here's Jane Steinberg on the parent cast

2217
01:48:06,580 --> 01:48:03,920
let me remind you again that if you want

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2225
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2226
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Chris O'Brien dr. John Alexander's here

2227
01:48:34,230 --> 01:48:31,040
we were talking about NRO any more

2228
01:48:36,940 --> 01:48:34,240
insights before we move on dr. Alexander

2229
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:36,950
really I mean the whole space community

2230
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:40,850
is involved and as I pointed out this

2231
01:48:46,750 --> 01:48:43,610
notion that Star Wars for instance was

2232
01:48:49,780 --> 01:48:46,760
developed to fight space aliens it's

2233
01:48:52,540 --> 01:48:49,790
just pure nonsense you know there's that

2234
01:48:55,420 --> 01:48:52,550
right now we have over our forms of form

2235
01:48:58,270 --> 01:48:55,430
doubt the parent caste calm a link to a

2236
01:49:01,210 --> 01:48:58,280
TV documentary that makes a big deal of

2237
01:49:03,310 --> 01:49:01,220
all these spurious claims to create the

2238
01:49:03,940 --> 01:49:03,320
impression that we're at war with et

2239
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:03,950
right now

2240
01:49:10,440 --> 01:49:06,710
of course if he were it would be over 40

2241
01:49:14,350 --> 01:49:10,450
years ago Ryan a twin correct

2242
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:14,360
Chris more questions well yeah my whole

2243
01:49:19,180 --> 01:49:17,810
point is and this is for the you know

2244
01:49:21,460 --> 01:49:19,190
the real believers in the

2245
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:21,470
extra-terrestrial hypothesis if there

2246
01:49:28,450 --> 01:49:23,600
were crafts coming from elsewhere into

2247
01:49:31,150 --> 01:49:28,460
our near space or you know in our

2248
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:31,160
atmosphere the NRO would know about this

2249
01:49:35,010 --> 01:49:33,110
unless they had some sort of cloaking

2250
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:35,020
technology that would allow them to

2251
01:49:41,020 --> 01:49:38,930
bypass all the sensing equipment that we

2252
01:49:44,590 --> 01:49:41,030
have circling this planet and have had

2253
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:44,600
for decades satellite systems have

2254
01:49:51,460 --> 01:49:48,170
picked up your powers yeah I know that

2255
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:51,470
Ron rigged Erebus but there's a critical

2256
01:49:57,070 --> 01:49:54,530
issue here that I think it's ignored and

2257
01:50:00,490 --> 01:49:57,080
that is that these systems or

2258
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:00,500
designed for one purpose and that is to

2259
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:03,710
determine threat and what they do your

2260
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:06,170
overloaded will stop this flying around

2261
01:50:11,980 --> 01:50:09,320
on that so the primary question is

2262
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:11,990
threat or no threat and you move

2263
01:50:16,930 --> 01:50:14,690
everything you can into no threat

2264
01:50:19,950 --> 01:50:16,940
remember if you go back all the way to

2265
01:50:24,700 --> 01:50:19,960
Condon report the question to Condon was

2266
01:50:28,510 --> 01:50:24,710
are UFOs a threat not are UFOs real and

2267
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:28,520
he said no threat so unless there's

2268
01:50:34,210 --> 01:50:31,130
something that becomes threatening about

2269
01:50:38,230 --> 01:50:34,220
them these agencies are going to discard

2270
01:50:39,940 --> 01:50:38,240
it and as you just pointed out if there

2271
01:50:42,580 --> 01:50:39,950
were a problem it would have been over a

2272
01:50:45,550 --> 01:50:42,590
long time ago and that has not happened

2273
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:45,560
well we have some some folks that were

2274
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:47,840
involved in the aerospace industry one

2275
01:50:52,420 --> 01:50:50,090
in particular Ron Regehr who was

2276
01:50:55,930 --> 01:50:52,430
involved with the optic systems of

2277
01:50:58,300 --> 01:50:55,940
several decades of our most classified

2278
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:58,310
by satellite systems and in other

2279
01:51:03,730 --> 01:51:02,000
monitoring systems and he stated fairly

2280
01:51:07,420 --> 01:51:03,740
bluntly to me that there is an

2281
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:07,430
outward-looking component to most if not

2282
01:51:14,220 --> 01:51:10,070
every satellite system a reconnaissance

2283
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:14,230
system that's been set up since the only

2284
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:17,450
how many times we have been surprised

2285
01:51:23,020 --> 01:51:20,080
there's a lot of new earth objects and

2286
01:51:25,930 --> 01:51:23,030
we get surprised you see the headlines

2287
01:51:29,770 --> 01:51:25,940
oh look there they go and asteroid has

2288
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:29,780
just sent by so looking out is

2289
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:32,930
absolutely essential to things that are

2290
01:51:40,450 --> 01:51:35,930
you know potentially coming at us well

2291
01:51:43,810 --> 01:51:40,460
how about the black night this 40 plus

2292
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:43,820
year object that's been talked about and

2293
01:51:49,540 --> 01:51:46,730
kind of whispered about for decades that

2294
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:49,550
appears to be orbiting our planet what

2295
01:51:54,250 --> 01:51:50,960
do we know about that what have you

2296
01:51:54,490 --> 01:51:54,260
heard that's the first time I've heard

2297
01:51:59,530 --> 01:51:54,500
it

2298
01:52:02,350 --> 01:51:59,540
okay here's another question from

2299
01:52:04,780 --> 01:52:02,360
ufology from randall if you wanted to

2300
01:52:06,430 --> 01:52:04,790
would the military let you into space

2301
01:52:08,650 --> 01:52:06,440
command space surveillance monitoring

2302
01:52:10,340 --> 01:52:08,660
center to observe live tracking it

2303
01:52:14,990 --> 01:52:10,350
sounds like they've already done that

2304
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:15,000
I had been in the Space Center now why

2305
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:16,530
are they like point out when I was a

2306
01:52:22,700 --> 01:52:20,370
laboratory command my last assignment

2307
01:52:25,820 --> 01:52:22,710
was director of advanced system concepts

2308
01:52:30,260 --> 01:52:25,830
for Army is doing all of basic so my

2309
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:30,270
boss was a two-star general who has a

2310
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:34,890
one-star had been a ship commander in

2311
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:37,920
they have brigadiers and shipped

2312
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:42,960
commanders on there believe me this was

2313
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:45,330
definitely not on his radar

2314
01:52:50,660 --> 01:52:49,050
he was fairly simple when we would talk

2315
01:52:54,980 --> 01:52:50,670
about it and it wasn't because he was

2316
01:52:58,010 --> 01:52:54,990
abating everything it was just that just

2317
01:53:00,920 --> 01:52:58,020
not something that there even vaguely

2318
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:00,930
familiar with now one of the things we

2319
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,410
have heard by the way from people who do

2320
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:06,960
track these items that you get it says

2321
01:53:12,410 --> 01:53:08,880
one of the things you learn quite

2322
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:12,420
quickly is that reporting objects that

2323
01:53:19,220 --> 01:53:15,840
you can't explain is not career

2324
01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:19,230
enhancing I would say that's an

2325
01:53:24,110 --> 01:53:19,980
understatement

2326
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:24,120
yeah so you learn kind of quickly okay

2327
01:53:28,850 --> 01:53:25,770
that's that's interesting

2328
01:53:31,580 --> 01:53:28,860
but again not a threat I'm not going on

2329
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:31,590
you hear this you know when you talk to

2330
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:33,690
pilots as well you know do you want to

2331
01:53:39,500 --> 01:53:38,250
report a UFO no that's okay well oh yeah

2332
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:39,510
the opening scene to Close Encounters

2333
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:44,850
but you know according to mr. Legare who

2334
01:53:50,300 --> 01:53:47,130
you know is a good friend of mine

2335
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:50,310
actually he just moved here recently to

2336
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,460
my neck of the woods he was involved in

2337
01:54:00,500 --> 01:53:56,040
the DSP program and he did talk about

2338
01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:00,510
the NORAD event which was in 94 when

2339
01:54:05,630 --> 01:54:02,790
NORAD called the Rio Grande County

2340
01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:05,640
Sheriff in Colorado to report you know a

2341
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:09,480
few acre-sized fire that later it came

2342
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:11,360
out that a retired lieutenant colonel

2343
01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:14,310
from Strategic Air Command Jimmy Lloyd

2344
01:54:19,330 --> 01:54:17,430
was a colonel as well observed a

2345
01:54:22,089 --> 01:54:19,340
flotilla of

2346
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:22,099
battleship sized green glowing objects

2347
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,210
descend into the area where NORAD asked

2348
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:28,400
the local County Sheriff's to exhaust

2349
01:54:34,029 --> 01:54:32,210
all you know efforts to determine what

2350
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:34,039
was the source of this particular heat

2351
01:54:39,899 --> 01:54:37,610
bloom that DSP was able to detect and he

2352
01:54:44,589 --> 01:54:39,909
also mentioned the night the very famous

2353
01:54:49,089 --> 01:54:44,599
1976 Tehran UFO encounter with Iranian

2354
01:54:52,450 --> 01:54:49,099
pilots and said the DSP also monitored

2355
01:54:55,029 --> 01:54:52,460
the this particular event and there's

2356
01:54:58,299 --> 01:54:55,039
other events as well time I've heard

2357
01:55:03,729 --> 01:54:58,309
that statement publicly well he's made

2358
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:03,739
it sorry Ron oops yeah first time I've

2359
01:55:10,299 --> 01:55:06,530
heard that one publicly but yes I I had

2360
01:55:13,450 --> 01:55:10,309
heard that many years ago okay here's

2361
01:55:17,379 --> 01:55:13,460
one that they had confirmation satellite

2362
01:55:20,049 --> 01:55:17,389
confirmation yeah they did and there was

2363
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:20,059
confirmation about that particular NORAD

2364
01:55:25,410 --> 01:55:22,130
event which I consider the Dark Horse

2365
01:55:29,979 --> 01:55:25,420
UFO event of 1994 in the United States

2366
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:29,989
it's an amazing series of events that

2367
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:31,760
ensued after that plus some

2368
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:33,679
repercussions with particular

2369
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:38,329
individuals at NORAD or whomever was

2370
01:55:42,279 --> 01:55:40,639
responsible for making the phone call

2371
01:55:45,069 --> 01:55:42,289
evidently there were some problems with

2372
01:55:48,580 --> 01:55:45,079
their career enhancement after that but

2373
01:55:51,939 --> 01:55:48,590
are you aware of former NSA technical

2374
01:55:54,549 --> 01:55:51,949
leader of intelligence William Vinnie's

2375
01:55:57,370 --> 01:55:54,559
I I think his name is recent comments

2376
01:56:02,439 --> 01:55:57,380
regarding UFOs and this comes from Frank

2377
01:56:06,399 --> 01:56:02,449
Stoll tunes and I think that this is a

2378
01:56:08,529 --> 01:56:06,409
very very highly placed source but I the

2379
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:08,539
statements that I've seen I believe have

2380
01:56:18,490 --> 01:56:16,400
been totally misread by the public my

2381
01:56:21,339 --> 01:56:18,500
problem is this is so from William

2382
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:21,349
Binney my problem is just like the UFO

2383
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:24,050
thing unless they start addressing these

2384
01:56:27,549 --> 01:56:25,250
kinds of things

2385
01:56:29,500 --> 01:56:27,559
people's observations or basic

2386
01:56:30,799 --> 01:56:29,510
measurements or factual evidence that

2387
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,809
simply exists

2388
01:56:34,490 --> 01:56:32,639
unless they started addressing them

2389
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:34,500
there's always going to be questions

2390
01:56:39,169 --> 01:56:36,840
especially now with the government

2391
01:56:41,450 --> 01:56:39,179
how much do you truck how much trust you

2392
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:41,460
have in your government well yeah I've

2393
01:56:46,939 --> 01:56:43,650
seen the statement of commented on it

2394
01:56:49,850 --> 01:56:46,949
online I think they are miss reading

2395
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:49,860
what he meant by that I don't think he

2396
01:56:56,750 --> 01:56:53,280
was taking yo pose as a serious issue

2397
01:57:01,010 --> 01:56:56,760
but rather just as an example of you

2398
01:57:04,879 --> 01:57:01,020
know how much publicity goes around and

2399
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:04,889
the commentaries and yeah I don't think

2400
01:57:09,279 --> 01:57:07,679
that he's even suggesting a potential

2401
01:57:12,169 --> 01:57:09,289
cover-up or anything of that nature

2402
01:57:14,959 --> 01:57:12,179
maybe of course everyone who is looking

2403
01:57:18,350 --> 01:57:14,969
for secret or supposedly secret UFO

2404
01:57:21,260 --> 01:57:18,360
information is reaching for every hint

2405
01:57:23,029 --> 01:57:21,270
of something talking about UFOs we'll be

2406
01:57:25,129 --> 01:57:23,039
back with dr. John Alexander who has

2407
01:57:27,620 --> 01:57:25,139
plenty of comments about that and more

2408
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:27,630
with Tina and Chris you're in the para

2409
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:29,170
cast

2410
01:57:42,250 --> 01:57:38,770
neighbors are you tired of dealing with

2411
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a slow web hosting provider well check

2412
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so you have things to say dr. Alexander

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about how we close last segment further

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comments well just I was going to equate

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this back to the study when Jim Woolsey

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was the director of Central Intelligence

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and he asked internally for a study to

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be done I was trying to pull it up

2525
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quickly and kind of quite hear the guy

2526
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from NRL the historian from NRO Jarrell

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Haynes is the one who did the study

2528
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reported back his oh by the way comment

2529
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was equating UFOs to the JFK

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assassination and it was just no matter

2531
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what we say you know this was never

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gonna go away so when we're looking for

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supposedly positive information about

2534
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UFOs in any of these statements and or

2535
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documents maybe the statement wasn't

2536
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meant to be positive I don't think so I

2537
02:03:20,610 --> 02:03:18,160
think he was just inside the community

2538
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that would be taken of this is another

2539
02:03:25,050 --> 02:03:23,710
pain in the ass if you well that's the

2540
02:03:27,930 --> 02:03:25,060
way I think it from what you say you

2541
02:03:30,150 --> 02:03:27,940
know it's interesting because I do know

2542
02:03:33,300 --> 02:03:30,160
that the intelligence community in

2543
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general had put in a filter system so

2544
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that reports on UFOs could not come in

2545
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:38,590
which i think is short-sighted but if

2546
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you remember or just think it was last

2547
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:45,870
year maybe a year before emoji shut down

2548
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:48,970
their office there was at least keeping

2549
02:03:54,260 --> 02:03:49,690
track of

2550
02:03:56,970 --> 02:03:54,270
and their point was that you know this

2551
02:03:59,760 --> 02:03:56,980
latoya and the requests are just not

2552
02:04:01,950 --> 02:03:59,770
worth the effort because they're a

2553
02:04:05,180 --> 02:04:01,960
nuisance compared to the real-world

2554
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:05,190
problems that are in fact fighting them

2555
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:07,810
well yeah that makes sense if it's been

2556
02:04:14,490 --> 02:04:11,170
determined to be a non threat you know

2557
02:04:18,350 --> 02:04:14,500
martin gosh we assumed oh the one of the

2558
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:18,360
last really surviving Hopi elders

2559
02:04:22,860 --> 02:04:21,130
trotted out this incredible series of

2560
02:04:24,930 --> 02:04:22,870
what looked like Mayan glyphs it was

2561
02:04:27,420 --> 02:04:24,940
this linear piece of paper that went out

2562
02:04:30,990 --> 02:04:27,430
several feet and at the last panel

2563
02:04:34,140 --> 02:04:31,000
there's these objects hovering over MA

2564
02:04:36,780 --> 02:04:34,150
saw who's got his club that in his hand

2565
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:36,790
ready to smack humanity upside the head

2566
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:40,690
and there's these like sombrero objects

2567
02:04:45,450 --> 02:04:42,250
in the you know in the upper right-hand

2568
02:04:46,980 --> 02:04:45,460
portion of the glyph and and you know he

2569
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looked at me and he said did you know

2570
02:04:50,370 --> 02:04:49,090
these these are the Watchers and I said

2571
02:04:52,620 --> 02:04:50,380
what are you referring to and he said

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02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:52,630
these these objects up here they're

2573
02:04:58,110 --> 02:04:55,810
watching and I asked them well you know

2574
02:05:00,270 --> 02:04:58,120
do they have something you know invested

2575
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:00,280
in this whole process or you know are

2576
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:02,800
they being proactive in any way he says

2577
02:05:09,690 --> 02:05:06,970
no they're just watching so perhaps the

2578
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:09,700
government or a private industry or

2579
02:05:17,640 --> 02:05:13,440
whomever consultants to the you know

2580
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determination of a threat status perhaps

2581
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they've come up with the determination

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that hey they're hanging around they're

2583
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checking us out there's nothing we can

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02:05:31,620 --> 02:05:26,410
do so let's just ignore them let's you

2585
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know kind of publicly you know first of

2586
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:35,020
all the government is not a monolith it

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is made up of millions of people with

2588
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differing kinds of experience and

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interest we estimate you know about 7%

2590
02:05:53,490 --> 02:05:49,330
of the adult population believe they'd

2591
02:05:55,080 --> 02:05:53,500
seen a UFO that number is true for the

2592
02:05:57,110 --> 02:05:55,090
military and for the rest of the

2593
02:05:59,370 --> 02:05:57,120
government as well so you have

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individuals who have had personal

2595
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experience and puck to the reality

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that's how

2597
02:06:09,130 --> 02:06:06,730
does not necessarily translate into

2598
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therefore we'll have a program to study

2599
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it right actionable intelligence being

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acted upon well I mean when we are

2601
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talking about things that are terribly

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complex you know what we talked about

2603
02:06:24,990 --> 02:06:21,949
earlier you know the cost of and the

2604
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:25,000
complexity of research of these terribly

2605
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:28,840
you know an oculist programs or

2606
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:31,010
observations that we're seeing and then

2607
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:34,250
you go okay what percentage of your

2608
02:06:43,420 --> 02:06:36,770
resources are you willing to commit

2609
02:06:47,080 --> 02:06:43,430
right who solved the insoluble side out

2610
02:06:50,110 --> 02:06:47,090
of mine determine it's not a national

2611
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:50,120
security threat and you know let's go on

2612
02:06:55,959 --> 02:06:53,210
with our list of priorities here's a

2613
02:06:59,170 --> 02:06:55,969
question from constance who's a newcomer

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02:07:00,700 --> 02:06:59,180
to form dr. Peric ascom but boy I'll

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tell you this lady's on the ball she

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asked great questions and her question

2617
02:07:08,979 --> 02:07:05,780
is with respect were you able to make

2618
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:08,989
that claim that government military has

2619
02:07:14,140 --> 02:07:11,090
little to do with keeping UFO secrets

2620
02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:14,150
unquote because for decades now UFO

2621
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:15,860
information and research has gone

2622
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:17,930
underground out of the hands of elected

2623
02:07:22,420 --> 02:07:20,690
government officials into black projects

2624
02:07:23,650 --> 02:07:22,430
controlled by the private interests that

2625
02:07:26,200 --> 02:07:23,660
constitute the military-industrial

2626
02:07:28,570 --> 02:07:26,210
complex do you think all this

2627
02:07:31,750 --> 02:07:28,580
information has become privatized out of

2628
02:07:34,660 --> 02:07:31,760
the reach of foi a and and we've been

2629
02:07:37,660 --> 02:07:34,670
you know we go ahead and delegate out

2630
02:07:40,750 --> 02:07:37,670
some of this to private industry all

2631
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:40,760
there's probably some minor stuff going

2632
02:07:46,150 --> 02:07:44,239
on but again when I get into is okay

2633
02:07:48,670 --> 02:07:46,160
let's talk about serious research and

2634
02:07:52,420 --> 02:07:48,680
what it would cost which would be huge

2635
02:07:53,890 --> 02:07:52,430
and then you have to do if what people

2636
02:07:56,979 --> 02:07:53,900
don't understand I've done the whole

2637
02:07:59,380 --> 02:07:56,989
chapter in my book on how the government

2638
02:08:03,040 --> 02:07:59,390
works and even the people don't agree

2639
02:08:06,250 --> 02:08:03,050
with Mae's point to that as a great

2640
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:06,260
explanation government funding is a

2641
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:09,650
zero-sum game and so there's not an

2642
02:08:15,820 --> 02:08:12,320
infinite pot of money so what you do is

2643
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,830
what we call Rackham stack you take all

2644
02:08:20,410 --> 02:08:17,360
of your

2645
02:08:23,770 --> 02:08:20,420
priorities and requirements and then

2646
02:08:27,220 --> 02:08:23,780
take resources and apply them against

2647
02:08:30,820 --> 02:08:27,230
them so you have to get past the so what

2648
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:30,830
question there's many many things every

2649
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:33,770
agency has to do then there's a series

2650
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:36,110
of things they'd like to do and then

2651
02:08:40,540 --> 02:08:38,210
there's a series of things like wow I

2652
02:08:43,530 --> 02:08:40,550
have the resources I'd get around to it

2653
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:43,540
so when you get to DoD their

2654
02:08:50,140 --> 02:08:46,850
responsibility is defense against

2655
02:08:53,050 --> 02:08:50,150
threats and so it's the same with space

2656
02:08:57,970 --> 02:08:53,060
agencies and you know NASA is overtly

2657
02:09:01,090 --> 02:08:57,980
hostile to the UFO topic but you go in

2658
02:09:04,209 --> 02:09:01,100
and you and you say okay I've got X

2659
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,219
amount of dollars what am I going to

2660
02:09:09,790 --> 02:09:06,560
apply them towards now can you screw

2661
02:09:11,620 --> 02:09:09,800
around at low levels and you know

2662
02:09:14,620 --> 02:09:11,630
thousands hundreds of thousands of

2663
02:09:16,660 --> 02:09:14,630
dollars yeah probably you get up too

2664
02:09:18,760 --> 02:09:16,670
high then somebody starts saying wait a

2665
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:18,770
minute if you got enough money and this

2666
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:21,290
is what happened when I went to SDI by

2667
02:09:27,010 --> 02:09:24,560
the way asking for funds and the guy

2668
02:09:28,899 --> 02:09:27,020
just said hey there are at five billion

2669
02:09:29,470 --> 02:09:28,909
at the time and said they're after my

2670
02:09:32,979 --> 02:09:29,480
money

2671
02:09:36,070 --> 02:09:32,989
if I get caught what was his word if I

2672
02:09:38,439 --> 02:09:36,080
get caught studying this you know Holly

2673
02:09:41,260 --> 02:09:38,449
I will get skewered not just for that

2674
02:09:42,840 --> 02:09:41,270
money but for other money the assumption

2675
02:09:46,209 --> 02:09:42,850
will be you don't know how to manage

2676
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:46,219
right now also have a second on Fox News

2677
02:09:50,740 --> 02:09:48,770
where they'll say look how your tax

2678
02:09:53,290 --> 02:09:50,750
dollars are at work they're going after

2679
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UFOs how can you let the government do

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this this is total nonsense it's it's

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break a great example because this

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happened with the ESP study let's talk

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about that in our next segment we'll

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talk about the ESP study dr. Alexander

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someone have you ever been overcharged

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for a repair have you ever signed a

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contract or a document worried about

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identity theft how many times have you

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been in those unique situations where

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you just wanted to call an attorney to

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what your legal rights are but every

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time you think about calling an attorney

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2793
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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

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you're gonna hear stuff here

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that you probably won't hear anywhere

2797
02:14:54,750 --> 02:14:53,350
else here that George Noory so if the

2798
02:14:57,560 --> 02:14:54,760
government is caught doing something

2799
02:15:01,350 --> 02:14:57,570
really weird about investigations

2800
02:15:04,620 --> 02:15:01,360
studying UFOs doing ESP research dr.

2801
02:15:07,980 --> 02:15:04,630
Alexander that causes a big mess doesn't

2802
02:15:12,540 --> 02:15:07,990
it remote viewing program was the same

2803
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:12,550
public in 95 well in nineteen in 1980

2804
02:15:17,580 --> 02:15:15,490
December 1980 published an article and

2805
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military review called the new mental

2806
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battlefield then because of a hiccup

2807
02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:22,660
until a few months later there was an

2808
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article by Jack Anderson who was them

2809
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you know one of the leading guys they

2810
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the Fox News type guy but you know

2811
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decades ago they came out with 8 an

2812
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awful look what the government's doing

2813
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you know they spent 20 million dollars

2814
02:15:41,580 --> 02:15:39,670
on remote viewing no the number was

2815
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totally made-up neither here nor there

2816
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:43,930
but the point was that their approach

2817
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was look at how your governments wasting

2818
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money interestingly the public response

2819
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was overwhelmingly positive you know in

2820
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our favor like I'm glad somebody's doing

2821
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it and people were aware that the

2822
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Soviets were very active in the area but

2823
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the point was that you know it was as

2824
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you just said ain't it awful look with

2825
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the terrible government how they're

2826
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wasting your money no and what usually

2827
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the problem these days with the

2828
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government though is they don't have

2829
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enough money to do the things they have

2830
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to do correct yeah it is a compared to

2831
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what four trillion

2832
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I think we've now spent gee what the you

2833
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know global war on terror I can tell you

2834
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my we'll get into the exact thing the

2835
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organization that I work with has been

2836
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hit heavily having their funding cut

2837
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because you got to pay for real-world

2838
02:16:50,580 --> 02:16:48,280
operations and things it I can tell you

2839
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:50,590
the internal funding battles right now

2840
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are absolutely brutal well they think

2841
02:16:58,980 --> 02:16:56,590
it's making the government more

2842
02:17:00,919 --> 02:16:58,990
efficient but the problem is here if you

2843
02:17:04,110 --> 02:17:00,929
starve the beast

2844
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you know their priorities gets screwed

2845
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up and everything is done wrong they've

2846
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got too much in that researches normally

2847
02:17:16,890 --> 02:17:13,110
one of the first things it gets caught

2848
02:17:18,750 --> 02:17:16,900
research and training or the become what

2849
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we call the bail payers and you quote

2850
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look for money you're not looking for

2851
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money money the money is there as you

2852
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know where were you going to

2853
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:33,190
re-appropriate funding yeah well there's

2854
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no solution to that until you rethink

2855
02:17:40,980 --> 02:17:38,889
how you fund the government and how you

2856
02:17:44,220 --> 02:17:40,990
make things happen but what about things

2857
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:44,230
like black budgets though where tons of

2858
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:46,450
money are being funneled into secret

2859
02:17:54,379 --> 02:17:49,570
projects into private industry is that

2860
02:18:02,280 --> 02:17:59,129
it's it does get oversight it is not to

2861
02:18:05,010 --> 02:18:02,290
the same degree as what we call the

2862
02:18:07,770 --> 02:18:05,020
white world funding but one of the

2863
02:18:12,110 --> 02:18:07,780
things that I find disconcerting to

2864
02:18:14,280 --> 02:18:12,120
different topic but you know this

2865
02:18:16,140 --> 02:18:14,290
President Obama has just come out and

2866
02:18:20,430 --> 02:18:16,150
said we're going to send a few more

2867
02:18:23,820 --> 02:18:20,440
troops to advise and really direct

2868
02:18:24,480 --> 02:18:23,830
airstrikes in Iraq potentially Syria and

2869
02:18:27,930 --> 02:18:24,490
things like that

2870
02:18:29,820 --> 02:18:27,940
let me just say briefly they say of

2871
02:18:31,860 --> 02:18:29,830
course we're not going to have troops on

2872
02:18:36,660 --> 02:18:31,870
the ground but why are they doing

2873
02:18:42,300 --> 02:18:36,670
floating in air today that they are

2874
02:18:45,330 --> 02:18:42,310
sending more Vietnam we does Revisited

2875
02:18:47,790 --> 02:18:45,340
we're talking hundreds not thousands or

2876
02:18:54,780 --> 02:18:47,800
tens of thousands but my point was going

2877
02:18:59,910 --> 02:18:54,790
to be in Afghanistan today and was true

2878
02:19:05,100 --> 02:18:59,920
in Iraq the ratio of active duty forces

2879
02:19:07,500 --> 02:19:05,110
to contractors doing these things was

2880
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:07,510
more than one to one in favor of

2881
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:10,960
contractors so what we started doing is

2882
02:19:16,209 --> 02:19:12,960
just contracting

2883
02:19:20,180 --> 02:19:16,219
which i think is a very dangerous and

2884
02:19:25,070 --> 02:19:20,190
the problem is that it does not get the

2885
02:19:26,660 --> 02:19:25,080
same media attention I mean the casually

2886
02:19:28,850 --> 02:19:26,670
they've had lots of casualties that

2887
02:19:30,890 --> 02:19:28,860
occurred in contractors that just never

2888
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:30,900
get reported right

2889
02:19:35,900 --> 02:19:33,210
well you know we were talking before and

2890
02:19:38,650 --> 02:19:35,910
I'd like to revisit the conversation

2891
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:38,660
about some of the very groundbreaking

2892
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:43,519
attempts at that training research and

2893
02:19:50,060 --> 02:19:46,530
developing techniques in terms of

2894
02:19:51,740 --> 02:19:50,070
psychic warfare and you know we asked

2895
02:19:54,550 --> 02:19:51,750
you this last time you were on the show

2896
02:19:58,130 --> 02:19:54,560
but but this is another question it's a

2897
02:20:01,219 --> 02:19:58,140
form dr. Perik asked calm and it has to

2898
02:20:03,050 --> 02:20:01,229
do with the the Jon Ronson non-fiction

2899
02:20:09,500 --> 02:20:03,060
book or the men who stare at goats and

2900
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:09,510
and and in some you know I really

2901
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:13,410
enjoyed the film I took it as a you know

2902
02:20:19,870 --> 02:20:15,810
actually a totally fictionalized account

2903
02:20:24,490 --> 02:20:19,880
of those very heady years I must say

2904
02:20:27,740 --> 02:20:24,500
within the you know the more exotic

2905
02:20:30,830 --> 02:20:27,750
realms of psychic research within the

2906
02:20:34,969 --> 02:20:30,840
military but you know I I've heard it

2907
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:34,979
said that that you you're you John

2908
02:20:41,870 --> 02:20:38,450
Alexander were loosely fictionalized

2909
02:20:46,340 --> 02:20:41,880
with the character of Kevin Spacey who

2910
02:20:59,150 --> 02:20:46,350
was dosed with LSD was a composite

2911
02:21:01,130 --> 02:20:59,160
character that's a badge of honor yeah I

2912
02:21:02,750 --> 02:21:01,140
mean come on have George Clooney play

2913
02:21:04,219 --> 02:21:02,760
you in a movie even if it's

2914
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:04,229
fictionalized I think that's quite a

2915
02:21:10,670 --> 02:21:07,410
testament to how courageous you were

2916
02:21:13,100 --> 02:21:10,680
back in the early to mid 70s to become

2917
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:13,110
involved in such as you put it non

2918
02:21:18,670 --> 02:21:16,800
career enhancing roles and interest

2919
02:21:21,740 --> 02:21:18,680
professed interest within the military

2920
02:21:25,011 --> 02:21:21,750
well so what happened to project

2921
02:21:28,370 --> 02:21:25,021
Aquarius what happened to these efforts

2922
02:21:30,020 --> 02:21:28,380
with general Stubblebine and was it the

2923
02:21:33,350 --> 02:21:30,030
Earth battalion core what was the name

2924
02:21:36,610 --> 02:21:33,360
of the group first Earth battalion the

2925
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:36,620
earth first battalion would never

2926
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:42,000
military you know organization that was

2927
02:21:50,091 --> 02:21:46,080
literally owned by Jim Channon was a

2928
02:21:53,570 --> 02:21:50,101
notional unit and things that we worked

2929
02:21:56,591 --> 02:21:53,580
with Aquarius I don't know the remote

2930
02:22:01,280 --> 02:21:56,601
viewing program Stargate became known

2931
02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:01,290
eventually Stubblebine was basically

2932
02:22:07,730 --> 02:22:05,730
forced to retire but the problem was

2933
02:22:11,080 --> 02:22:07,740
Ronson's booked and again if you go to

2934
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:11,090
my website I have a pretty good

2935
02:22:17,660 --> 02:22:14,160
explanation of what's real and what's

2936
02:22:23,421 --> 02:22:17,670
not real very the mountains book was

2937
02:22:27,740 --> 02:22:23,431
about 5% real 95 percent fiction and

2938
02:22:30,051 --> 02:22:27,750
then they made the movie so it sounds

2939
02:22:35,540 --> 02:22:30,061
like great disinformation that's about

2940
02:22:37,970 --> 02:22:35,550
the appropriately didn't care there was

2941
02:22:41,751 --> 02:22:37,980
a guy by name of John sergeant of all of

2942
02:22:43,100 --> 02:22:41,761
this who got screwed in the movie

2943
02:22:45,860 --> 02:22:43,110
because he was the guy who actually

2944
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:45,870
found all of us and I did interview with

2945
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him goats did die and had nothing to do

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with being stared at there's nothing to

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supports any of that story and stole

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mine didn't try to run through a wall in

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his office and then leant end up on the

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floor wondering what happened again

2951
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explain this in some detail online but

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overbuying was hyper allergic to bee

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stings and so you know there are people

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who two three sing that we go in

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anaphylactic shock he was one of those

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kind of tough in the military I was

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actually evacuated in Vietnam because

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attacked by BC bees but one very well

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going out to the Walter Reed Hospital

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and getting shots on a continuous basis

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to build up his immunity to beestings

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and what they what he would do is

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mentally say hey my skin is still the

2964
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atoms are mostly spaced the needle is

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mostly spaced so therefore they ought to

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be able to pass through each other

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without causing pain you know what if

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that works in the real world around here

2969
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what we do have bees I'll do it dr. John

2970
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Alexander is with us with gene and Chris

2971
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one more segment to come you're in the

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para cast free from the shackles of

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[Music]

3070
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:01,579
dr. John Alexander this mind-over-matter

3071
02:29:08,899 --> 02:29:04,710
then so I can I will myself not to feel

3072
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cold you can do that thank you

3073
02:29:16,280 --> 02:29:12,560
yeah that's actually an easy one jeez I

3074
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have met a guy here doesn't show he's

3075
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known as amoral the torture King and

3076
02:29:26,269 --> 02:29:23,939
they're saying you may have seen on

3077
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television there's several people who do

3078
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it but they take a needle and push it

3079
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:32,449
through there harm that is not a trick

3080
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now knowing where to put the needle and

3081
02:29:41,599 --> 02:29:39,840
ignoring the pain and one of the things

3082
02:29:44,149 --> 02:29:41,609
that zomora

3083
02:29:48,410 --> 02:29:44,159
had told me is he's actually studied at

3084
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:48,420
the I believe UCLA and the question was

3085
02:29:55,219 --> 02:29:52,409
does he feel pain and the answer was yes

3086
02:29:58,099 --> 02:29:55,229
he felt the pain but he processed it

3087
02:30:02,210 --> 02:29:58,109
differently from the way most of us do

3088
02:30:04,309 --> 02:30:02,220
yeah that's that's a handy uh talent to

3089
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:04,319
have well we're gonna have to have you

3090
02:30:09,410 --> 02:30:06,720
back obviously John for another show

3091
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:09,420
because I really wanted to get into you

3092
02:30:15,080 --> 02:30:13,050
know blow-by-blow Journal of your trips

3093
02:30:20,439 --> 02:30:15,090
around the world looking into shamanic

3094
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systems I think this is an incredibly

3095
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potential for incredibly potentially you

3096
02:30:28,639 --> 02:30:26,939
know important bridge as I said at the

3097
02:30:33,559 --> 02:30:28,649
beginning the show between primitive

3098
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systems and high technology and the way

3099
02:30:39,290 --> 02:30:36,359
some of these primitive systems have

3100
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evolved in terms of a shaman being a

3101
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conduit between the spirit world and you

3102
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know the world that we all inhabit every

3103
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day I really want to get into this later

3104
02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:51,090
on when we have you back but what have

3105
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you gained from all these journeys that

3106
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you've made around the world to Mongolia

3107
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down to Peru Brazil to Antarctica of all

3108
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places

3109
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swimming with humpback whales just a

3110
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couple of weeks ago

3111
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and in looking into various shamanic

3112
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systems and practitioners of this belief

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system how do you see your research in

3114
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this realm going forward and what have

3115
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you learned so far well I guess two

3116
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areas one is that our model of the world

3117
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of traditional reductionist model of

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Western physics is if not wrong it's

3119
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severely limited by you know alternate

3120
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realities and the things we've seen the

3121
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other has that we're dealing with very

3122
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very complex questions and that we need

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to put best and brightest minds and we

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need to be able to do that without

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risking their reputations and careers

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and many people put their career on the

3127
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line to explore these things that

3128
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shouldn't be necessary any questions

3129
02:32:05,599 --> 02:32:02,609
left Chris okay we have another question

3130
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:05,609
here from our listeners at forum dr.

3131
02:32:11,359 --> 02:32:08,010
Peric ascom this one comes from Wade

3132
02:32:14,450 --> 02:32:11,369
rigsdale who's a longtime poster on the

3133
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:14,460
forums and again folks if you want to

3134
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ask questions of our very you know I

3135
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mean John thank you so much for being

3136
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here you're you know one of my top

3137
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guests to have on the show and if our

3138
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forum posters would like to ask

3139
02:32:31,609 --> 02:32:28,109
questions please post them at the forum

3140
02:32:34,219 --> 02:32:31,619
thread at forum dr. Peric ascom and Wade

3141
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:34,229
has a question for you here in he's

3142
02:32:37,910 --> 02:32:36,210
wondering if there's any particular

3143
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events that you personally witnessed

3144
02:32:43,189 --> 02:32:40,109
that you feel would validate your

3145
02:32:45,349 --> 02:32:43,199
thinking that the UFO enigma is more

3146
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than just a matter of extraterrestrial

3147
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visitation and I would add have you seen

3148
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anything you know your journeys around

3149
02:32:55,689 --> 02:32:53,310
the world visiting shamanic systems have

3150
02:32:59,420 --> 02:32:55,699
you seen anything that justified your

3151
02:33:02,210 --> 02:32:59,430
level of belief a level of belief

3152
02:33:05,540 --> 02:33:02,220
well I have you seen anything that you

3153
02:33:09,219 --> 02:33:05,550
just it just did not make sense from

3154
02:33:13,279 --> 02:33:09,229
your rational worldview many many things

3155
02:33:18,250 --> 02:33:13,289
but the one area that I'll give examples

3156
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:18,260
was last year traveling in West Africa

3157
02:33:26,410 --> 02:33:21,920
we're in Togo and Benin and boudu

3158
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ceremonies and I have videotape I've got

3159
02:33:31,269 --> 02:33:29,029
a few pictures again on my website but

3160
02:33:35,550 --> 02:33:31,279
I've got video that I have and we'll

3161
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:35,560
post yet but I'm doing things with fire

3162
02:33:42,939 --> 02:33:38,329
standing in that's sitting in and eating

3163
02:33:45,880 --> 02:33:42,949
it that just cannot be done and I have

3164
02:33:49,149 --> 02:33:45,890
taken it to I have friends here who are

3165
02:33:51,729 --> 02:33:49,159
magicians and like guys like Jeff

3166
02:33:55,599 --> 02:33:51,739
McBride who's the magician's magician

3167
02:33:59,649 --> 02:33:55,609
he's a guy who trains many of them look

3168
02:34:02,979 --> 02:33:59,659
at it and just say hey it's real you

3169
02:34:07,870 --> 02:34:02,989
can't do that there are no tricks to

3170
02:34:09,550 --> 02:34:07,880
doing that how about UFO experiences

3171
02:34:16,179 --> 02:34:09,560
have you ever seen any unidentified

3172
02:34:19,450 --> 02:34:16,189
aerial phenomenon that you could not my

3173
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:19,460
personal experience observation is very

3174
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:21,170
very small it was up with james

3175
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:26,090
gilliland his place in washington now

3176
02:34:34,109 --> 02:34:28,399
it's all somebody didn't stop i mean

3177
02:34:38,500 --> 02:34:34,119
having said that my brother's my son

3178
02:34:40,899 --> 02:34:38,510
seen UFOs and one of my points there is

3179
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:40,909
if i can't trust family who can you

3180
02:34:45,460 --> 02:34:41,770
trust

3181
02:34:47,439 --> 02:34:45,470
right and i would agree with that well

3182
02:34:49,389 --> 02:34:47,449
you know one thing that i wanna stress

3183
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:49,399
to our you know vast listening audience

3184
02:34:54,819 --> 02:34:52,010
around the world is your book the ufos

3185
02:34:57,519 --> 02:34:54,829
myths conspiracies and realities is

3186
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required reading if you want an insight

3187
02:35:05,649 --> 02:35:00,140
a perspective into what really is going

3188
02:35:07,719 --> 02:35:05,659
on and I really think John that we need

3189
02:35:09,729 --> 02:35:07,729
more people like you to come forward and

3190
02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:09,739
be willing to do shows like this and

3191
02:35:15,700 --> 02:35:12,800
discuss these very contentious subjects

3192
02:35:18,580 --> 02:35:15,710
as they exist within you know the the

3193
02:35:21,939 --> 02:35:18,590
monolithic government and military

3194
02:35:24,279 --> 02:35:21,949
industrial complex structure I think

3195
02:35:27,399 --> 02:35:24,289
you're you're very courageous to come

3196
02:35:29,380 --> 02:35:27,409
out and discuss these topics and I I

3197
02:35:31,899 --> 02:35:29,390
really would urge

3198
02:35:34,420 --> 02:35:31,909
everyone out there to get your book and

3199
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:34,430
get an insider's perspective on this I

3200
02:35:37,420 --> 02:35:36,170
don't agree with everything that you've

3201
02:35:39,969 --> 02:35:37,430
come up with in terms of your

3202
02:35:42,519 --> 02:35:39,979
conclusions it's hard to argue with

3203
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:42,529
obviously with your experience but you

3204
02:35:49,410 --> 02:35:46,970
know if you had one thing to say to our

3205
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vast audience out there in terms of

3206
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where your company put this where the

3207
02:35:58,990 --> 02:35:56,779
best spend your efforts in terms of

3208
02:36:02,050 --> 02:35:59,000
becoming up to speed and becoming

3209
02:36:05,229 --> 02:36:02,060
proficient in this very very complex

3210
02:36:07,780 --> 02:36:05,239
topic what would you tell people oh what

3211
02:36:10,139 --> 02:36:07,790
book should they read what avenues of

3212
02:36:13,210 --> 02:36:10,149
Investigation research should they

3213
02:36:14,679 --> 02:36:13,220
contemplate well which topic are we

3214
02:36:17,260 --> 02:36:14,689
talking about well we're talking about

3215
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:17,270
UFOs miss conspiracies and realities

3216
02:36:22,809 --> 02:36:19,550
your book yeah

3217
02:36:25,450 --> 02:36:22,819
well Leslie did a pretty good book about

3218
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:25,460
the same time we talked about many of

3219
02:36:32,889 --> 02:36:28,640
the same cases and where pilots and

3220
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:32,899
generals came forward that compendium

3221
02:36:39,639 --> 02:36:35,449
that's Leslie Cain's book folks go ahead

3222
02:36:46,840 --> 02:36:39,649
Jeff belay is a personal friend and did

3223
02:36:49,540 --> 02:36:46,850
the foreword to my book about Tom Clancy

3224
02:36:54,219 --> 02:36:49,550
I had asked him for a blurb and instead

3225
02:36:55,689 --> 02:36:54,229
wrote more than I expected about the

3226
02:37:01,059 --> 02:36:55,699
book and because of who he was we

3227
02:37:08,860 --> 02:37:01,069
couldn't not use it yeah it's kind of

3228
02:37:11,769 --> 02:37:08,870
caveat emptor you think okay well in

3229
02:37:14,830 --> 02:37:11,779
terms of shamanic studies and looking at

3230
02:37:16,660 --> 02:37:14,840
the the obvious bridge to some of us

3231
02:37:19,330 --> 02:37:16,670
it's obvious but there's a bridge

3232
02:37:21,269 --> 02:37:19,340
between primitive systems that have

3233
02:37:24,099 --> 02:37:21,279
evolved over thousands of years and

3234
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:24,109
modern technology and the disconnect

3235
02:37:29,729 --> 02:37:26,090
that we have that connects us back to

3236
02:37:33,580 --> 02:37:29,739
our past what would be the best damage

3237
02:37:38,280 --> 02:37:33,590
my wife's ayahuasca devil Terry we have

3238
02:37:41,170 --> 02:37:38,290
been is that the shamanic conferences

3239
02:37:43,570 --> 02:37:41,180
you don't got time for this but you know

3240
02:37:46,870 --> 02:37:43,580
what if plants have conscious

3241
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:46,880
well k tell our listeners dr. Alexander

3242
02:37:51,400 --> 02:37:48,530
where we can get more in the information

3243
02:37:54,430 --> 02:37:51,410
that you have to offer well yes my

3244
02:37:56,530 --> 02:37:54,440
website which is the easiest thing is

3245
02:37:59,980 --> 02:37:56,540
just to google my name if you just do

3246
02:38:02,200 --> 02:37:59,990
John Alexander I'll pop up but top of

3247
02:38:05,020 --> 02:38:02,210
Google and go to my website and you'll

3248
02:38:07,900 --> 02:38:05,030
find tons of information you click on

3249
02:38:09,970 --> 02:38:07,910
many things there are publications you

3250
02:38:12,700 --> 02:38:09,980
can just download you see the

3251
02:38:14,350 --> 02:38:12,710
connections of various places let me

3252
02:38:16,120 --> 02:38:14,360
remind you that you get the free copy of

3253
02:38:18,940 --> 02:38:16,130
secrets of the mysterious family by

3254
02:38:20,860 --> 02:38:18,950
Chris O'Brien going to the podcast calm

3255
02:38:21,490 --> 02:38:20,870
the power cast com sign up for our

3256
02:38:24,340 --> 02:38:21,500
newsletter

3257
02:38:26,620 --> 02:38:24,350
Chris's site is our strange planet calm

3258
02:38:28,870 --> 02:38:26,630
our strange planet calm where he has

3259
02:38:32,470 --> 02:38:28,880
books and ebooks available he autographs

3260
02:38:34,600 --> 02:38:32,480
his books to go to the park ascom to

3261
02:38:37,140 --> 02:38:34,610
check out every single episode of the

3262
02:38:40,390 --> 02:38:37,150
show from day one back in February of

3263
02:38:42,970 --> 02:38:40,400
2006 this has been just another great

3264
02:38:53,319 --> 02:38:42,980
show dr. Alexander thanks for joining us

3265
02:38:59,719 --> 02:38:56,840
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3266
02:39:02,710 --> 02:38:59,729
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3267
02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:02,720
presentation of making the impossible